1 00:01:33,730 --> 00:00:35,389 foreign 2 00:02:46,910 --> 00:02:13,190 thank you 3 00:02:46,920 --> 00:03:36,170 foreign 4 00:03:36,180 --> 00:03:48,890 thank you 5 00:03:48,900 --> 00:04:04,680 foreign 6 00:04:04,690 --> 00:04:09,740 [Music] 7 00:04:21,790 --> 00:04:10,020 [Applause] 8 00:04:26,689 --> 00:04:24,409 Air Forces has announced that applying 9 00:04:28,189 --> 00:04:26,699 disc has been found and is now in the 10 00:04:31,310 --> 00:04:28,199 possession of the army 11 00:04:35,030 --> 00:04:31,320 game is rigged change the game game 12 00:04:38,689 --> 00:04:35,040 changer I occasionally think how quickly 13 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:38,699 our differences worldwide would vanish 14 00:04:43,650 --> 00:04:42,000 if we were facing an alien threat from 15 00:04:45,150 --> 00:04:43,660 outside this work 16 00:04:45,570 --> 00:04:45,160 [Music] 17 00:04:49,969 --> 00:04:45,580 [Applause] 18 00:04:51,170 --> 00:04:49,979 [Music] 19 00:04:52,189 --> 00:04:51,180 it's your host 20 00:04:56,650 --> 00:04:52,199 the church 21 00:05:05,710 --> 00:05:00,550 I need your help to get to the ER 22 00:05:11,220 --> 00:05:08,450 you are listening to fade to black with 23 00:05:22,510 --> 00:05:11,230 Jimmy judge on The Game Changer MetLife 24 00:05:24,370 --> 00:05:22,520 [Music] 25 00:05:27,830 --> 00:05:24,380 good evening 26 00:05:32,890 --> 00:05:27,840 Fade to Black 27 00:05:37,070 --> 00:05:32,900 the spoke radio for the masses 28 00:05:39,170 --> 00:05:37,080 uh yeah man how you doing how you doing 29 00:05:42,909 --> 00:05:39,180 all right 30 00:05:50,590 --> 00:05:42,919 today's Monday September 26 31 00:05:54,350 --> 00:05:52,430 I would like to welcome everybody 32 00:05:56,930 --> 00:05:54,360 listening all around the world all 33 00:05:59,689 --> 00:05:56,940 across the United States 34 00:06:01,790 --> 00:05:59,699 hither and tither to and fro back and 35 00:06:06,230 --> 00:06:01,800 forth up and down east and west north 36 00:06:11,210 --> 00:06:08,749 this is Fade to Black for kjcr the game 37 00:06:13,370 --> 00:06:11,220 changer and annexed networks raise Hobbs 38 00:06:15,710 --> 00:06:13,380 I am your host Jimmy Church what is 39 00:06:17,629 --> 00:06:15,720 cracking everybody how you doing 40 00:06:19,969 --> 00:06:17,639 how you doing 41 00:06:23,110 --> 00:06:19,979 all right 42 00:06:29,930 --> 00:06:25,850 bombshell week 43 00:06:32,749 --> 00:06:29,940 tonight very special guest Grant Cameron 44 00:06:34,730 --> 00:06:32,759 kicks off our bombshell Wilson Davis 45 00:06:38,749 --> 00:06:34,740 week here on Fade to Black tomorrow 46 00:06:40,790 --> 00:06:38,759 night Our Guest is me tomorrow night I'm 47 00:06:45,230 --> 00:06:40,800 gonna do a two and a half hour Deep dive 48 00:06:48,350 --> 00:06:45,240 into the Wilson Davis documents uh the 49 00:06:51,770 --> 00:06:48,360 associated notes that have been 50 00:06:54,230 --> 00:06:51,780 uh revealed to the public this week 51 00:06:57,170 --> 00:06:54,240 um that happened uh throughout the day 52 00:06:59,450 --> 00:06:57,180 today so I'm not I'm not the first to 53 00:07:01,490 --> 00:06:59,460 release the documents or anything like 54 00:07:02,629 --> 00:07:01,500 that it's been going on all over the net 55 00:07:05,510 --> 00:07:02,639 today 56 00:07:07,550 --> 00:07:05,520 so there you go you know it's not any 57 00:07:08,330 --> 00:07:07,560 type of exclusive because everybody has 58 00:07:10,309 --> 00:07:08,340 them 59 00:07:11,809 --> 00:07:10,319 but uh tomorrow night I'm going to go 60 00:07:15,350 --> 00:07:11,819 through all of it I'm going to go 61 00:07:17,930 --> 00:07:15,360 through the uh uh Wilson Davis document 62 00:07:21,529 --> 00:07:17,940 and uh with my thoughts and of course 63 00:07:22,969 --> 00:07:21,539 the notes that tie into all of this it's 64 00:07:26,150 --> 00:07:22,979 uh pretty extraordinary it's a pretty 65 00:07:27,890 --> 00:07:26,160 extraordinary week for the UFO Community 66 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:27,900 it's absolutely amazing and then 67 00:07:33,589 --> 00:07:30,960 following up uh with our bombshell week 68 00:07:34,430 --> 00:07:33,599 will be Wednesday night Richard Dolan is 69 00:07:37,010 --> 00:07:34,440 here 70 00:07:42,050 --> 00:07:37,020 for Wilson Davis Knight three 71 00:07:47,330 --> 00:07:42,060 and uh and a couple of notes about uh uh 72 00:07:49,070 --> 00:07:47,340 Grant and Richard and myself uh uh I'll 73 00:07:51,529 --> 00:07:49,080 I'll talk more about this in just a bit 74 00:07:52,809 --> 00:07:51,539 but when everything started to bust 75 00:07:55,790 --> 00:07:52,819 loose 76 00:07:57,890 --> 00:07:55,800 oh man I'm trying to think that was like 77 00:07:59,230 --> 00:07:57,900 three years ago 78 00:08:03,529 --> 00:07:59,240 um 79 00:08:08,210 --> 00:08:03,539 uh I I had a call with Richard that 80 00:08:10,249 --> 00:08:08,220 night that we uh got uh uh the Wilson 81 00:08:15,529 --> 00:08:10,259 Davis document sent to us and we knew 82 00:08:17,629 --> 00:08:15,539 then that uh they were extraordinary and 83 00:08:21,890 --> 00:08:17,639 and reading through them Richard and I 84 00:08:23,930 --> 00:08:21,900 that night uh went through page for page 85 00:08:26,270 --> 00:08:23,940 uh going through everything and just 86 00:08:29,210 --> 00:08:26,280 catching things and but there was a name 87 00:08:32,029 --> 00:08:29,220 in there that I wasn't familiar with and 88 00:08:35,510 --> 00:08:32,039 that was Oak Shannon uh Richard knew who 89 00:08:38,110 --> 00:08:35,520 Oak Shannon was and of course so did uh 90 00:08:42,230 --> 00:08:38,120 Grant Cameron I did not 91 00:08:45,769 --> 00:08:42,240 and uh well uh today 92 00:08:48,889 --> 00:08:45,779 I think we all know uh Project Unity uh 93 00:08:51,290 --> 00:08:48,899 did an interview with Oak Shannon uh 94 00:08:53,930 --> 00:08:51,300 that uh came out on the net a couple of 95 00:08:56,210 --> 00:08:53,940 days ago I watched that interview 96 00:08:59,210 --> 00:08:56,220 uh while I watched it a fourth time so 97 00:09:01,730 --> 00:08:59,220 uh four times I've watched it I watched 98 00:09:02,990 --> 00:09:01,740 it again today 99 00:09:06,170 --> 00:09:03,000 um wow 100 00:09:08,990 --> 00:09:06,180 I mean just the whole the whole thing 101 00:09:11,329 --> 00:09:09,000 has come full circle and uh it's very 102 00:09:12,889 --> 00:09:11,339 exciting uh for our UFO Community it's a 103 00:09:15,290 --> 00:09:12,899 big week here on Fade to Black so 104 00:09:17,829 --> 00:09:15,300 tonight the man that's been at the 105 00:09:20,870 --> 00:09:17,839 center of all of this is Grant Cameron 106 00:09:22,850 --> 00:09:20,880 and Grant will be with us tonight he did 107 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:22,860 a live stream earlier today with Nicole 108 00:09:33,350 --> 00:09:27,000 sakich uh I was there for that uh it was 109 00:09:41,509 --> 00:09:37,790 Grant that's all I have to say Grand 110 00:09:43,370 --> 00:09:41,519 Cameron and uh very excited that uh he 111 00:09:47,150 --> 00:09:43,380 is on with us tonight it's very 112 00:09:51,170 --> 00:09:47,160 important that not only uh it when we do 113 00:09:53,150 --> 00:09:51,180 a week on the show uh about something 114 00:09:55,790 --> 00:09:53,160 and and in this case it's Wilson Davis 115 00:09:57,829 --> 00:09:55,800 it's very important to me and to the 116 00:10:00,590 --> 00:09:57,839 community that Grant 117 00:10:02,329 --> 00:10:00,600 um is is up first he's the lead off 118 00:10:05,389 --> 00:10:02,339 batter because he's been at the center 119 00:10:07,130 --> 00:10:05,399 of this uh from the very beginning and 120 00:10:09,410 --> 00:10:07,140 I'll talk more about this in just a bit 121 00:10:12,829 --> 00:10:09,420 and then on Thursday night this week it 122 00:10:15,050 --> 00:10:12,839 is another fader night with open lines 123 00:10:17,870 --> 00:10:15,060 all night long coming up I will be 124 00:10:20,329 --> 00:10:17,880 hosting and I'm seeing the conscious 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camera uh I added some 140 00:11:09,290 --> 00:11:06,480 lights and and and and worked on the 141 00:11:12,710 --> 00:11:09,300 studio this weekend and I did an 142 00:11:15,050 --> 00:11:12,720 impromptu live stream uh testing the 143 00:11:19,329 --> 00:11:15,060 camera just to see what everybody's 144 00:11:21,769 --> 00:11:19,339 thoughts were and I needed feedback and 145 00:11:23,569 --> 00:11:21,779 and so I had to go back and adjust 146 00:11:26,690 --> 00:11:23,579 everything but I think it looks pretty 147 00:11:30,170 --> 00:11:26,700 good and uh I'll continue to dial it in 148 00:11:33,590 --> 00:11:30,180 how does it look see now it's it's it's 149 00:11:35,150 --> 00:11:33,600 high def you can see now I gotta shave 150 00:11:37,790 --> 00:11:35,160 every day 151 00:11:40,009 --> 00:11:37,800 man I gotta brush my teeth I gotta comb 152 00:11:44,329 --> 00:11:40,019 my hair I Gotta Wear a clean shirt it's 153 00:11:47,210 --> 00:11:44,339 just too it's too perfect but it's 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00:13:01,620 and then it heated back up this week and 184 00:13:05,810 --> 00:13:03,720 I gotta tell you 185 00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:05,820 I stink 186 00:13:11,750 --> 00:13:07,880 I mean they're working out 187 00:13:13,190 --> 00:13:11,760 and it it smells you know and and I 188 00:13:15,230 --> 00:13:13,200 gotta tell you 189 00:13:17,870 --> 00:13:15,240 the only thing that gets rid of it is 190 00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:17,880 this right here I'm not spraying stuff 191 00:13:23,449 --> 00:13:21,360 in my house I'm not well I burn Sage I 192 00:13:26,389 --> 00:13:23,459 do I Sage the house all the time it's 193 00:13:29,930 --> 00:13:26,399 the Eden Eden Pure thunderstorm that 194 00:13:32,509 --> 00:13:29,940 makes my house perfect it's a AC it's 195 00:13:34,970 --> 00:13:32,519 got a USB on the side it kills germs it 196 00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:34,980 kills viruses and it'll just make your 197 00:13:40,250 --> 00:13:36,480 house smell great they have a three pack 198 00:13:43,610 --> 00:13:40,260 special ride now three three so this is 199 00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:43,620 my thing bedroom kitchen living room 200 00:13:48,949 --> 00:13:46,560 that's that's where you start or uh 201 00:13:51,769 --> 00:13:48,959 bedroom kitchen car 202 00:13:55,430 --> 00:13:51,779 right that's what you do it's got a USB 203 00:13:57,590 --> 00:13:55,440 you can do whatever you want with it so 204 00:14:01,310 --> 00:13:57,600 there you go three pack special promo 205 00:14:05,150 --> 00:14:01,320 code fader3 right now save 200 in free 206 00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:05,160 shipping scroll down click head over you 207 00:14:09,290 --> 00:14:07,440 forget the promo code what do you do 208 00:14:11,629 --> 00:14:09,300 just click on my name on the bottom it's 209 00:14:16,129 --> 00:14:11,639 right there Jimmy Church 210 00:14:17,870 --> 00:14:16,139 click on that and everything is done all 211 00:14:19,690 --> 00:14:17,880 right follow me on Twitter at Jay 212 00:14:24,949 --> 00:14:19,700 churchradio 213 00:14:30,889 --> 00:14:27,470 follow me man I love coffee did you guys 214 00:14:36,590 --> 00:14:34,370 what a crazy news day today 215 00:14:40,129 --> 00:14:36,600 let's start with this the Artemis won 216 00:14:43,009 --> 00:14:40,139 space launch system and its rocket will 217 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:43,019 be pulled down from the launch pad in 218 00:14:47,050 --> 00:14:45,060 Florida and rolled back to the Vehicle 219 00:14:50,689 --> 00:14:47,060 Assembly Building tonight 220 00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:50,699 due to Hurricane Ian the massive rocket 221 00:14:55,090 --> 00:14:52,320 will begin the rollback process later 222 00:14:58,730 --> 00:14:55,100 this evening at 11 PM Eastern Time 223 00:15:01,310 --> 00:14:58,740 further delaying the anticipated Mission 224 00:15:05,509 --> 00:15:01,320 there's already been two delays this is 225 00:15:08,449 --> 00:15:05,519 now the third no uh no lawn states have 226 00:15:11,449 --> 00:15:08,459 been announced yet but as you know I'm 227 00:15:13,370 --> 00:15:11,459 completely on top of this other big news 228 00:15:16,189 --> 00:15:13,380 today Coca-Cola in the news because 229 00:15:19,490 --> 00:15:16,199 Coca-Cola products ranging from 230 00:15:23,090 --> 00:15:19,500 Diet Coke and Sprite to Powerade and 231 00:15:25,910 --> 00:15:23,100 Monster energy drinks will replace its 232 00:15:29,750 --> 00:15:25,920 plastic Rings you know on the six packs 233 00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:29,760 the four packs with a fiber based paper 234 00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:33,420 packaging the Coca-Cola estimates that 235 00:15:40,009 --> 00:15:37,260 it will help eliminate 75 000 pounds of 236 00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:40,019 plastic each year the paper-based 237 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:42,120 packaging designed by Graphic Packaging 238 00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:46,380 International is small compact and easy 239 00:15:50,269 --> 00:15:48,000 to recycle 240 00:15:51,949 --> 00:15:50,279 and that's big news at least to me 241 00:15:55,670 --> 00:15:51,959 that's big news big news for the world 242 00:16:00,050 --> 00:15:55,680 now check this out Mayans Mayans in the 243 00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:00,060 news toxic levels of Mercury 244 00:16:05,930 --> 00:16:02,880 a pollutant commonly associated with 245 00:16:09,530 --> 00:16:05,940 waste of modern industry have been 246 00:16:11,990 --> 00:16:09,540 uncovered in Mayan archaeological sites 247 00:16:14,449 --> 00:16:12,000 long before conquistadors from far off 248 00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:14,459 lands introduced the decay of war and 249 00:16:21,949 --> 00:16:18,240 disease Maya cultures were dusting the 250 00:16:24,889 --> 00:16:21,959 soils of their Urban centers with the 251 00:16:27,710 --> 00:16:24,899 heavy metal mercury the elements levels 252 00:16:30,650 --> 00:16:27,720 are so great in some areas researchers 253 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:30,660 are being advised to gear up to save 254 00:16:34,970 --> 00:16:33,120 their health together with a team of 255 00:16:37,370 --> 00:16:34,980 researchers from the U.S and the UK 256 00:16:38,290 --> 00:16:37,380 Duncan cook of Australian Catholic 257 00:16:41,150 --> 00:16:38,300 University 258 00:16:44,509 --> 00:16:41,160 revealed data sets collected from 10 259 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:44,519 classic period Maya dig sites and their 260 00:16:49,129 --> 00:16:46,620 surrounds that included environmental 261 00:16:51,170 --> 00:16:49,139 measurements of mercury levels a 262 00:16:54,069 --> 00:16:51,180 comparison of readings from across the 263 00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:54,079 region identified seven of the sites 264 00:16:59,810 --> 00:16:57,120 reported at least one area contaminated 265 00:17:04,610 --> 00:16:59,820 with a concentration of mercury that 266 00:17:06,610 --> 00:17:04,620 exceeds or equals modern benchmarks for 267 00:17:09,710 --> 00:17:06,620 toxic levels 268 00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:09,720 absolutely incredible all right now 269 00:17:13,870 --> 00:17:11,520 check this out 270 00:17:16,490 --> 00:17:13,880 plants are older 271 00:17:18,350 --> 00:17:16,500 than we're told 272 00:17:22,730 --> 00:17:18,360 now listen to this 273 00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:22,740 the oldest green algae preserved in 274 00:17:27,890 --> 00:17:25,679 three dimensions May hint that plants 275 00:17:31,390 --> 00:17:27,900 originated earlier than previously 276 00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:31,400 believed the fossils are older than 277 00:17:39,169 --> 00:17:35,280 541 million years this was at the cusp 278 00:17:41,690 --> 00:17:39,179 of the Cambrian Period 541 541 million 279 00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:41,700 to 485 million years ago 280 00:17:47,169 --> 00:17:44,640 when life suddenly Diversified in a 281 00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:47,179 Flash known as the Cambrian explosion 282 00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:49,919 the fossils are tiny only a half a 283 00:17:55,730 --> 00:17:52,799 millimeter in diameter but are preserved 284 00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:55,740 and exquisite detail down to the bumpy 285 00:18:00,650 --> 00:17:58,080 tubular structures that line their outer 286 00:18:02,930 --> 00:18:00,660 layers and the masses of delicate 287 00:18:08,210 --> 00:18:02,940 filaments that make up their core 288 00:18:09,409 --> 00:18:08,220 they come from the the shazi province in 289 00:18:12,529 --> 00:18:09,419 central China 290 00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:12,539 now researchers uh China's back in the 291 00:18:17,090 --> 00:18:15,600 news so there you go 292 00:18:19,850 --> 00:18:17,100 all right 293 00:18:24,010 --> 00:18:19,860 uh I hope you're ready for this 294 00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:24,020 researchers in China have cloned a wild 295 00:18:28,130 --> 00:18:26,400 arctic wolf 296 00:18:30,470 --> 00:18:28,140 and they're hoping the controversial 297 00:18:33,409 --> 00:18:30,480 genetic technology can now be used to 298 00:18:35,690 --> 00:18:33,419 help save other species under threat as 299 00:18:37,010 --> 00:18:35,700 the world edges toward an Extinction 300 00:18:41,810 --> 00:18:37,020 crisis 301 00:18:43,870 --> 00:18:41,820 today the Beijing base company uh Sino 302 00:18:47,210 --> 00:18:43,880 Gene biotechnology 303 00:18:50,750 --> 00:18:47,220 unveiled the female wolf clone named 304 00:18:54,430 --> 00:18:50,760 Maya by scientists marking 100 days 305 00:18:57,409 --> 00:18:54,440 since she was born back on June 10th 306 00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:57,419 Maya a gray brown pup with the bushy 307 00:19:02,150 --> 00:18:59,280 tail is in healthy condition and they 308 00:19:04,190 --> 00:19:02,160 showed videos of Maya playing and 309 00:19:06,289 --> 00:19:04,200 resting 310 00:19:07,620 --> 00:19:06,299 that's crazy 311 00:19:11,630 --> 00:19:07,630 a Florida man 312 00:19:15,650 --> 00:19:11,640 [Laughter] 313 00:19:18,409 --> 00:19:15,660 uh although this is not a funny news 314 00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:18,419 story but it does start off with a 315 00:19:27,289 --> 00:19:22,160 Florida man so here we go a Florida man 316 00:19:30,110 --> 00:19:27,299 an HOA president already facing charges 317 00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:30,120 for allegedly keeping a hidden camera 318 00:19:35,570 --> 00:19:32,760 inside the master bedroom of a Palm 319 00:19:38,690 --> 00:19:35,580 Coast condo he was caring for 320 00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:38,700 faces additional charges after a third 321 00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:39,840 victim 322 00:19:45,710 --> 00:19:42,240 was recorded on camera 323 00:19:48,169 --> 00:19:45,720 in a different condo 324 00:19:51,230 --> 00:19:48,179 the Flagler County Sheriff's Office 325 00:19:53,210 --> 00:19:51,240 arrested Robert W Orr for the second 326 00:19:56,690 --> 00:19:53,220 time today 327 00:19:59,810 --> 00:19:56,700 on an additional five charges including 328 00:20:02,630 --> 00:19:59,820 three counts of video voyeurism and two 329 00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:02,640 counts of unlawful use of a two-way 330 00:20:08,210 --> 00:20:04,740 Communications device 331 00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:08,220 or who's 59 years old was arrested 332 00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,039 earlier this month on four counts of 333 00:20:16,850 --> 00:20:13,919 video voyeurism after a woman and a man 334 00:20:20,750 --> 00:20:16,860 found a USB camera hidden inside an 335 00:20:23,810 --> 00:20:20,760 indoor flower pot in the master bedroom 336 00:20:26,529 --> 00:20:23,820 of the condo they were renting that he 337 00:20:29,150 --> 00:20:26,539 was maintaining in managing 338 00:20:32,169 --> 00:20:29,160 deputies said that some of the images 339 00:20:36,350 --> 00:20:32,179 date back to 2018 340 00:20:38,169 --> 00:20:36,360 so now they are contacting and I'm 341 00:20:42,169 --> 00:20:38,179 quoting here 342 00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:42,179 dozens of people who have also rented 343 00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:51,470 oh afford a man 344 00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:53,580 let's get this show cracking on this day 345 00:21:04,690 --> 00:21:00,710 one of the greatest days in history The 346 00:21:08,210 --> 00:21:04,700 Brady Bunch premieres on ABC 347 00:21:11,630 --> 00:21:08,220 ABC who canceled the series five years 348 00:21:13,150 --> 00:21:11,640 later the last original episode aired on 349 00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:13,160 August 30th 350 00:21:18,890 --> 00:21:16,080 1974. however 351 00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:18,900 the show became a massive hit in rewind 352 00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,140 rerun syndication and I gotta tell you I 353 00:21:27,049 --> 00:21:24,720 think probably 354 00:21:29,149 --> 00:21:27,059 I've seen every episode of The Brady 355 00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:29,159 Bunch at least five times 356 00:21:38,510 --> 00:21:36,310 here's a fader fact for you though 357 00:21:39,890 --> 00:21:38,520 it's a good one 358 00:21:41,570 --> 00:21:39,900 they're all good 359 00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:41,580 I say that every night it's a good one 360 00:21:45,409 --> 00:21:43,260 they're all good it's a good one they're 361 00:21:47,870 --> 00:21:45,419 all good 362 00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:47,880 here's your fader fact 363 00:21:53,210 --> 00:21:50,340 in the 13th century 364 00:21:55,310 --> 00:21:53,220 Pope Gregory IV 365 00:21:57,649 --> 00:21:55,320 declared war 366 00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:57,659 on cats 367 00:22:02,750 --> 00:21:59,700 that's right 368 00:22:09,230 --> 00:22:02,760 he declared war on cats because he 369 00:22:16,430 --> 00:22:12,850 and that is your fader fact 370 00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:16,440 yeah tonight very special guest Grant 371 00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,440 Cameron Grant Cameron is here kicking 372 00:22:23,049 --> 00:22:21,600 off the Wilson Davis week here on Fade 373 00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:23,059 to Black 374 00:22:28,430 --> 00:22:25,980 bombshell week tomorrow night Our Guest 375 00:22:29,930 --> 00:22:28,440 is me I'm going to take you on a two and 376 00:22:33,649 --> 00:22:29,940 a half hour Deep dive into the Wilson 377 00:22:36,529 --> 00:22:33,659 Davis documents and the notes 378 00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:36,539 evoke Shannon and others 379 00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:38,580 that have also been revealed this week 380 00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:41,039 to the public it's a huge week for the 381 00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,240 UFO community and to follow up and close 382 00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:47,520 out bombshell week Wilson Davis week 383 00:22:52,909 --> 00:22:50,640 Richard Dolan is here on Wednesday for 384 00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:52,919 night three Thursday night is another 385 00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:54,600 fader night with open lines all night 386 00:22:59,210 --> 00:22:58,020 long so there you go all right now it's 387 00:23:02,090 --> 00:22:59,220 time for me to hit this River Moon 388 00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:05,390 ah 389 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,830 rivermoonwellness.com 390 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:16,669 I like my coffee doc 391 00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:19,270 but Dad 392 00:23:27,529 --> 00:23:23,280 it's smoky 393 00:23:31,490 --> 00:23:27,539 Sarah Anne that's messed up 394 00:23:36,370 --> 00:23:34,250 that's a good gift thank you Sarah Anne 395 00:23:39,730 --> 00:23:36,380 that's going to get a like right now 396 00:23:41,390 --> 00:23:39,740 just like that 397 00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,400 rivermoonwellness.com the links are 398 00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,159 below promo code f2b blend 399 00:23:48,049 --> 00:23:46,080 it's the best coffee in the world it is 400 00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:48,059 it's just there's a lot of good coffee 401 00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:50,520 out there but there's only the best and 402 00:24:00,289 --> 00:23:52,500 that's River Moon Fade to Black blend 403 00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:02,810 all right 404 00:24:06,890 --> 00:24:05,820 you like this camera 405 00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:06,900 Pig 406 00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:09,500 my other cameras that I have here right 407 00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:13,140 I I posted pictures uh yesterday or was 408 00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:14,580 it today yesterday 409 00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:17,640 and uh look at the top of my monitors 410 00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:20,340 you'll see you know the cameras and I 411 00:24:25,549 --> 00:24:22,260 have other cameras that aren't up here 412 00:24:28,430 --> 00:24:25,559 all the time other on stands and and 413 00:24:30,350 --> 00:24:28,440 stuff right okay so anyway 414 00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:30,360 um but you can see the Elgato in the 415 00:24:35,630 --> 00:24:31,440 middle you see what I'm talking about 416 00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:35,640 man thing's big it's big it's big so I 417 00:24:41,149 --> 00:24:37,320 had to lower the monitors because the 418 00:24:42,409 --> 00:24:41,159 camera it was like you know so I lured I 419 00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,419 can like it though 420 00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,640 I like what's going on 421 00:24:50,029 --> 00:24:46,799 all right 422 00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:50,039 f2b blank go to the Amazon store 423 00:24:55,310 --> 00:24:52,500 you know what I did today 424 00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:55,320 before I uh get into what I want to talk 425 00:25:01,850 --> 00:24:59,340 about uh today no it was yesterday I 426 00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:01,860 don't want to FIB I want to be straight 427 00:25:07,730 --> 00:25:06,480 yesterday I sent Fade to Black blend to 428 00:25:10,490 --> 00:25:07,740 somebody 429 00:25:11,950 --> 00:25:10,500 they know who they are and um you know a 430 00:25:14,510 --> 00:25:11,960 little thank you 431 00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:14,520 and I've got to send it through the 432 00:25:19,070 --> 00:25:16,380 Amazon store 433 00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:19,080 that's right I pay for it myself click 434 00:25:24,649 --> 00:25:21,780 click went to Amazon and it's right 435 00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:24,659 there Amazon's Choice Fade to Black 436 00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:28,500 blend I was like wow how cool is that 437 00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,400 click click click Send that's right pay 438 00:25:42,649 --> 00:25:34,159 for it myself 439 00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:45,890 what the 440 00:25:54,350 --> 00:25:48,840 I don't see anything did you guys hear 441 00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:55,850 see here's the thing there's a Noise 442 00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,320 Gate see and you can hear the noise gate 443 00:26:02,029 --> 00:26:00,480 shut down listen 444 00:26:05,090 --> 00:26:02,039 right see how it goes silent The Noise 445 00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:05,100 Gate shuts down the microphone 446 00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:06,900 you hear go 447 00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:09,840 right you hear that so if it's coming 448 00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:16,789 I don't know what to say 449 00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:19,860 man okay all right I gotta I I gotta 450 00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:29,029 I'm hearing things I'm hearing things 451 00:26:35,090 --> 00:26:31,559 I'm like freaking myself out all right 452 00:26:40,190 --> 00:26:37,370 the dart mission 453 00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:40,200 was a success 454 00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:44,100 I watched the live stream uh right after 455 00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,400 uh uh Grant and Nicole did their live 456 00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:49,440 stream and you know I was working and 457 00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:52,140 getting stuff done and I had the dart 458 00:26:55,070 --> 00:26:53,279 Mission running in the background 459 00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:55,080 finally you know it's like 15 minutes 460 00:26:58,909 --> 00:26:57,480 away and I'm just sitting there watching 461 00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,919 it with that music that was playing 462 00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,480 where you guys listening to that well 463 00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:02,720 anyway 464 00:27:09,250 --> 00:27:05,760 we are truly 465 00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:09,260 living in a science fiction movie 466 00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:12,600 watching the dart this was straight out 467 00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:17,039 of any movie that you can imagine 468 00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:21,120 and we watched that live 469 00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:23,700 was that the most incredible and and 470 00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:25,620 when 471 00:27:33,289 --> 00:27:30,360 distance right and it's a little dot you 472 00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:33,299 know and it's just like how how is this 473 00:27:37,330 --> 00:27:34,559 possible 474 00:27:40,370 --> 00:27:37,340 right and there it is and 475 00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:40,380 what did you guys freak out of what the 476 00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:42,900 uh the asteroid looked like 477 00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:46,320 it looked like a Coronavirus 478 00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:50,760 it's all spiky and stuff how crazy was 479 00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:51,960 that 480 00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,960 hopes and dreams about being able to fly 481 00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:03,360 out to an asteroid and blow it up or 482 00:28:07,970 --> 00:28:06,299 divert its path and and save earth right 483 00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:07,980 that's science fiction 484 00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:10,500 science fiction will never get there no 485 00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:13,260 way but it's a good movie right I watch 486 00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:16,500 Bruce Willis do that that's a good movie 487 00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:19,080 it happened today 488 00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:22,440 I couldn't believe it I just the 489 00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:25,500 thoughts going through my mind as that 490 00:28:30,649 --> 00:28:28,740 asteroid was and I you I know your mind 491 00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:30,659 was in the same place mine was you're 492 00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:33,059 watching that thing come on you're like 493 00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:34,200 man this 494 00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:36,360 this is a movie 495 00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:41,520 but it's real it was nuts and I really 496 00:28:51,409 --> 00:28:44,460 enjoyed it and I I can't say enough for 497 00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:53,570 we have the latest revelations in the 498 00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,320 UFO community 499 00:28:59,870 --> 00:28:57,840 things are really popping at the moment 500 00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,880 and 501 00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:01,440 the 502 00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:26,220 taking off going to Area 51 a new 503 00:29:31,130 --> 00:29:27,720 picture this conversation going down 504 00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,140 between Admiral Wilson and and Eric 505 00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:33,120 Davis about UFOs and you read through 506 00:29:36,769 --> 00:29:34,620 that and it's just like a movie script 507 00:29:38,930 --> 00:29:36,779 you know it's incredible 508 00:29:42,049 --> 00:29:38,940 and 509 00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:42,059 I always felt that the conversation 510 00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:45,000 happened it was too detailed there was 511 00:29:50,769 --> 00:29:47,640 just things about it I always felt that 512 00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:50,779 way about it I've done many shows right 513 00:29:57,769 --> 00:29:53,580 with a Project Unity in this 514 00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:57,779 conversation with Oak Shannon and uh the 515 00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:00,960 revelation of the notes uh that are out 516 00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:04,380 there and uh excuse me 517 00:30:09,230 --> 00:30:07,500 the notes uh there's a two set two 518 00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:09,240 version two sections of the notes which 519 00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:11,940 I have tonight you'll see them 520 00:30:18,830 --> 00:30:16,260 um uh that is this all starting to 521 00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:18,840 support not only the Wilson Davis 522 00:30:23,389 --> 00:30:21,480 document but the shenanigans that have 523 00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:23,399 been going on 524 00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,820 um inside of not only our government and 525 00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:28,320 certain circles inside of the government 526 00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,020 but but companies and corporations that 527 00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:33,360 are looking to develop this technology 528 00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,120 and research and development well that 529 00:30:42,289 --> 00:30:37,919 was the basis of the Wilson Davis 530 00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:42,299 document and that is of course is uh the 531 00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:44,820 subject of the notes uh that are out I 532 00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,399 don't know how many pages I have here I 533 00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:48,960 have two sections of it I think there's 534 00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:53,039 28 and 18 whatever whatever that adds up 535 00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,640 to but you look at this and that's 536 00:31:04,070 --> 00:30:58,399 what's going on 537 00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,080 and that what A Strange Day where 538 00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:06,960 um I spent the day reading these notes 539 00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:08,580 going back over the Wilson Davis 540 00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:10,679 documents knowing what the subject was 541 00:31:15,529 --> 00:31:12,840 tonight Grant Cameron being on the show 542 00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:15,539 and the dart Mission happening and I'm 543 00:31:20,450 --> 00:31:17,460 watching that and I was like 544 00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,460 this is I'm living the future that I was 545 00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:23,279 hoping I would live and I'm experiencing 546 00:31:28,190 --> 00:31:26,399 it right now it's a very important week 547 00:31:30,649 --> 00:31:28,200 here on Fade to Black we're all doing 548 00:31:33,769 --> 00:31:30,659 this together I am your host Jimmy 549 00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:33,779 church tonight Grant Cameron is with us 550 00:31:39,169 --> 00:31:36,360 he will be up right after this short 551 00:31:43,250 --> 00:31:39,179 break I'll be right back with the grand 552 00:31:45,409 --> 00:31:43,260 Cameron bombshell week night one on the 553 00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:45,419 game changer and Annex networks race 554 00:31:49,789 --> 00:31:47,340 Hobbs I'm your host Jimmy Church 555 00:31:59,800 --> 00:31:49,799 and I'll be right back with grand 556 00:31:59,810 --> 00:32:21,970 [Music] 557 00:32:31,630 --> 00:32:23,230 thank you 558 00:32:36,769 --> 00:32:34,549 this is Nicole Church daughter of you 559 00:32:39,169 --> 00:32:36,779 know who and you're listening to fade to 560 00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:39,179 black on jimmychurchradio.com and The 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00:36:56,099 all right Welcome Back Fade to Black I'm 633 00:36:59,770 --> 00:36:57,720 your chimney church tonight Grant 634 00:37:03,230 --> 00:36:59,780 Cameron kicking off 635 00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,240 bombshell week night one 636 00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,280 we're gonna discuss all of the recent 637 00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:07,200 Bombshells around the Wilson Davis 638 00:37:11,569 --> 00:37:10,140 document and Oak Shannon it's the night 639 00:37:13,790 --> 00:37:11,579 one of our Wilson Davis week here on 640 00:37:17,089 --> 00:37:13,800 Fade to Black Grant has been a UFO 641 00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:17,099 researcher since 1975 and he was 642 00:37:22,130 --> 00:37:19,500 recognized as both the Leeds conference 643 00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:22,140 International researcher of the year and 644 00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,420 the UFO Congress researcher of the year 645 00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,880 he's a world-renowned expert on UFO's 646 00:37:31,069 --> 00:37:29,040 conspiracies government cover-ups and 647 00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:31,079 has spent decades watching and 648 00:37:35,569 --> 00:37:32,760 chronicling developments around the 649 00:37:39,010 --> 00:37:35,579 Extraterrestrial contact he is the 650 00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,020 author of Charlie radstar his website is 651 00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:42,000 beyondpresidential ufo.com the links are 652 00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:44,220 below and I would like to welcome back 653 00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:46,980 to fade to black uh kicking off night 654 00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:50,400 one of Grant Cameron week here the black 655 00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,920 Mr Grand Cameron Grant how you doing my 656 00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:55,200 man great Jimmy thanks for having me on 657 00:38:01,550 --> 00:37:58,560 a busy day for you my friend I I've been 658 00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:01,560 I've been I feel like we've been talking 659 00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,220 all day it's like it reminded me I 660 00:38:09,970 --> 00:38:08,160 reminded Nicole of this earlier today if 661 00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:09,980 you've ever seen the 662 00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,160 uh the the uh comedy skit done by now I 663 00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,320 forgot to forget his name uh uh Bill 664 00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,480 Hicks the roller coaster you ever seen 665 00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,920 the one about the life of the roller 666 00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:21,599 coaster you get on you go up and down 667 00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:23,460 around and around and it makes lots of 668 00:38:27,609 --> 00:38:25,260 noise and you get off and once you once 669 00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:27,619 you're off you go oh it was just a ride 670 00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:30,240 today was a roller coaster man up and 671 00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:32,940 down yeah and uh started to heat up now 672 00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:34,740 here 673 00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,220 um uh uh grant let me uh I'm just going 674 00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,040 to go back to some historical context uh 675 00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:44,160 if I may uh some personal historical 676 00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:47,339 context between the the two of us yeah 677 00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:50,700 um and you had three years ago 678 00:38:55,490 --> 00:38:53,460 well you came up to me 679 00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:55,500 um at a conference and you said Jimmy 680 00:39:01,310 --> 00:38:57,720 this is my attorney and I was like oh 681 00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:01,320 I'm getting served right so anyway you 682 00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:02,460 come up and you say this is my attorney 683 00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:04,200 I had to lawyer up and I said what's 684 00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:09,660 going on and and you were shaking yeah 685 00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:12,660 and and I was like Grant what's 686 00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:14,700 happening is I've got these documents 687 00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:17,880 man and uh uh we're gonna talk about it 688 00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,520 I need a a couple of weeks to digest it 689 00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,560 but we're going to figure this out and 690 00:39:28,810 --> 00:39:24,240 I'll let you know I was like what what's 691 00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:28,820 going on Grant well at that time uh 692 00:39:36,589 --> 00:39:32,720 around that time Richard Dolan and I 693 00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:36,599 receive uh uh the the the now Infamous 694 00:39:42,290 --> 00:39:39,359 uh email famous email uh with the 695 00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,300 documents in it I called uh and you 696 00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,400 remember all of this so well I called 697 00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:47,280 Richard going dude and I read through 698 00:39:52,370 --> 00:39:49,980 the documents paid for page with Richard 699 00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:52,380 and we made mental notes and we 700 00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,060 continued the next day but then I called 701 00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,359 you and I said dude did you send this to 702 00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:58,800 me you said no 703 00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:02,400 and I said uh this is is this the doc 704 00:40:08,410 --> 00:40:06,420 yes I I believe at the time and this is 705 00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:08,420 for the audience so they understand 706 00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:12,000 you were being very evasive 707 00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:14,700 um of on purpose right and you were like 708 00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,260 Jimmy I don't know if you're looking at 709 00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:18,000 us the documents that I'm talking about 710 00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:19,320 I'm like well I don't know if you're 711 00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:21,060 talking about what I'm talking about but 712 00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:22,380 I think we're talking about the same 713 00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:24,599 thing right I think we are 714 00:40:30,589 --> 00:40:28,320 um and then everything broke loose uh 715 00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:30,599 from that first night 716 00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:34,920 um I I saw your email uh to Oak Shannon 717 00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:37,560 uh with the question did you have any 718 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:40,320 idea when you were a kid right yeah that 719 00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,320 uh you would you you you would have 720 00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,839 documents that would now be part of the 721 00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:47,280 Congressional Record 722 00:40:53,450 --> 00:40:49,140 well I'm going to pose the same question 723 00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,460 to you grant did you feel at that time 724 00:40:58,370 --> 00:40:56,400 even though you were shaking that it 725 00:41:00,829 --> 00:40:58,380 would have the historical importance 726 00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:00,839 that it does today and what is going on 727 00:41:05,870 --> 00:41:03,599 with uh the UFO community 728 00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:05,880 I thought it would have tremendous uh 729 00:41:10,310 --> 00:41:08,700 significance it was the 730 00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:10,320 um document the only document I've ever 731 00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,839 seen that I was absolutely determined I 732 00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:15,359 have to get this document no matter what 733 00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:16,740 it takes to get this document because it 734 00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:19,920 was shown to me by James rigney on an 735 00:41:23,530 --> 00:41:22,200 iPad and he walked off in the casino we 736 00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:23,540 were in in in 737 00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:26,700 Laughlin and when I saw auction his name 738 00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:28,740 and Eric Davis name I knew it was a real 739 00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:30,599 document I knew this is for real I read 740 00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:32,460 just part of the first page and then I 741 00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:33,720 started to think how do I get this 742 00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:35,160 documented I wonder if I can photograph 743 00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,380 this thing before he comes back so I can 744 00:41:41,329 --> 00:41:38,640 at least have this thing I didn't 745 00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:41,339 realize it was 15 pages when I realized 746 00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,560 I thought it was two pages so when James 747 00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:45,119 sent it to me shortly after this 748 00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:47,820 November conference 749 00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,320 um I that's when I started to shake I 750 00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:50,880 went oh my God and then I talked to her 751 00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,680 to to 752 00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,000 um 753 00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:56,240 uh 754 00:42:02,270 --> 00:42:00,660 um Michael Hall Michael Hall so I 755 00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:02,280 contacted Michael Hall in the beginning 756 00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:04,680 of January and I said Michael I've got I 757 00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:06,180 got to talk to you about about something 758 00:42:09,770 --> 00:42:08,040 and then I did then I said oh that's 759 00:42:11,810 --> 00:42:09,780 stupid why did I talk to him like this 760 00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:11,820 you know I was really scared because I I 761 00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:13,140 was afraid of what was going to happen 762 00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:15,720 and then when I finally got a hold of uh 763 00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,420 Michael he came back and then he I said 764 00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:20,640 to him I said I got a question could I 765 00:42:24,349 --> 00:42:22,380 get sued if could they sue me for this 766 00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:24,359 he said yeah they could and I would they 767 00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:26,460 could and and then he said well now you 768 00:42:30,530 --> 00:42:28,320 can get sued for anything and then I'm 769 00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,540 saying like you know what you know I 770 00:42:34,609 --> 00:42:32,400 know all these guys I don't know what to 771 00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:34,619 do with this document and that was the 772 00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:36,300 whole idea that 773 00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:40,980 um we I I eventually put them through 774 00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,839 um Chase Williams who had come to me and 775 00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:44,880 then I decided I I couldn't put them on 776 00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:46,859 myself because I knew all these guys and 777 00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:47,940 I didn't want to sort of cut their 778 00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,940 throat so and then I said well I will 779 00:42:54,349 --> 00:42:53,280 um I'm a disclosure guy so anybody wants 780 00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:54,359 to see the document because I was 781 00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:56,280 telling people no you can't see people 782 00:42:58,849 --> 00:42:57,180 like 783 00:43:00,050 --> 00:42:58,859 um James he and Dolly asked me can I see 784 00:43:01,309 --> 00:43:00,060 the document I said no you can't see the 785 00:43:02,809 --> 00:43:01,319 document and then I'm thinking what the 786 00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:02,819 heck I'm a disclosure Guy what's the 787 00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:05,880 deal so next time Chase Williams said 788 00:43:08,750 --> 00:43:07,560 can I see the document I said sure you 789 00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:08,760 want to see the document I sent it to 790 00:43:12,050 --> 00:43:10,440 him and then he said well why didn't you 791 00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,060 release this and I said well because I 792 00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:14,640 know all these guys and then he said uh 793 00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:16,920 leave it with me and then he phoned me 794 00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:18,300 from an elevator I still remember he was 795 00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:20,040 in Chicago he said he was traveling he 796 00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:21,480 was in Chicago he said I'm in an 797 00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:22,920 elevator in Chicago you know those 798 00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,260 documents you gave me and I said yeah I 799 00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,880 think they just went on the internet but 800 00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:28,319 then they sat on the internet for four 801 00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,460 months so we were trying to figure out 802 00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:31,440 like I mean is people stupid why don't 803 00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:33,420 they pick this up what do we do and 804 00:43:36,829 --> 00:43:34,920 James rigney was bugging me and I said 805 00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:36,839 James my job you give me my job was to 806 00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:38,819 get these things out I did it I got him 807 00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:40,980 on the internet I can't do any more for 808 00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:42,119 you you've got to figure it out for 809 00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:44,280 yourself and then you guys discovered 810 00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:45,900 the document and that's when it sort of 811 00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:48,060 went viral and so I knew it was I knew 812 00:43:52,849 --> 00:43:50,220 it was I had always said when this 813 00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:52,859 document becomes public it's over this 814 00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:54,300 is going to be disclosure but I didn't 815 00:43:57,650 --> 00:43:55,500 realize it would be read into con 816 00:43:59,329 --> 00:43:57,660 Congress and that this would basically 817 00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,339 be it looks like it's almost going to be 818 00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:01,200 a blueprint for where they go because 819 00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:03,060 it's got the names and I guess they're 820 00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:04,740 investigating who these people are and 821 00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:06,780 all this kind of stuff and there's this 822 00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:08,940 immunity for Witnesses so if all the 823 00:44:13,849 --> 00:44:10,920 witnesses in the the Wilson document 824 00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:13,859 come forward and get immunity I mean 825 00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:15,660 it's what I said originally it's game 826 00:44:19,609 --> 00:44:17,460 over when I saw the document that's what 827 00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:19,619 I thought this is game over I mean if 828 00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,660 this document ever gets out but the 829 00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:24,000 thing was how do you get it out because 830 00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:27,720 uh I I knew the people and I I knew what 831 00:44:32,089 --> 00:44:29,339 the what the cost would be because I 832 00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:32,099 talked to Eric Davis before and I knew 833 00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,240 they talked about it was called 834 00:44:37,309 --> 00:44:35,280 intelligence blowback there's this story 835 00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,319 that's told I come to you Jimmy and I 836 00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:38,880 say Jimmy do you know the 12 guys that 837 00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:41,400 run to you the whole UFOs show and you 838 00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,380 say yeah I know who they are and then I 839 00:44:46,490 --> 00:44:44,640 say to you okay Jimmy why didn't you 840 00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:46,500 make the names public and then the 841 00:44:49,849 --> 00:44:47,880 answer is because you go to the New York 842 00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,859 Times They would print an article and 843 00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,599 I'd have to deny it and nobody would 844 00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:53,760 ever talk to me again and that's why a 845 00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:55,140 lot of these guys I believe are very 846 00:44:58,490 --> 00:44:56,940 secret because they're trying to figure 847 00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:58,500 it out as well and they're trying to get 848 00:45:02,089 --> 00:45:00,180 people above them to tell them what's 849 00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:02,099 going on and the minute they leak 850 00:45:05,809 --> 00:45:04,020 something like I did that nobody talks 851 00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,819 to you anymore so when I had the 852 00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:07,200 document 853 00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:09,000 um you guys discovered it later but uh 854 00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:13,079 like uh Giuliano marikovic had it uh 855 00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:15,540 Danny Silva had it James Ian Dolly had 856 00:45:18,530 --> 00:45:17,099 it I remember James phoned me and he 857 00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:18,540 said you talk to me about that document 858 00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:21,180 in January and I said yeah and he said I 859 00:45:24,109 --> 00:45:22,319 think it just went on the internet I 860 00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:24,119 said oh really and he said I said how 861 00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:26,040 many pages is it he said it's 15 pages 862 00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,680 and I said uh yeah it sounds like the 863 00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:30,480 document I did want to play and then he 864 00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,980 said Danny Silvis got it and he may 865 00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:34,079 release it I said you tell Danny Silva 866 00:45:37,370 --> 00:45:35,880 this if you release this document you 867 00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,380 will be the most famous person probably 868 00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:39,839 in history but nobody will ever talk to 869 00:45:43,849 --> 00:45:41,400 you again and that was the warning and 870 00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,859 then Danny Silva hang on to it so all 871 00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:45,119 there was a lot of people had the 872 00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:46,920 document but nobody wanted to do it 873 00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,420 nobody wanted to sort of put it out 874 00:45:52,430 --> 00:45:50,640 there and so it sat on the internet for 875 00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,440 quite a while before Richard and you 876 00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:54,960 finally and it was being sent by 877 00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,700 um James because James had come to me 878 00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,800 and said well you know nobody's reading 879 00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:00,480 it what are you going to do and I said 880 00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:02,760 well James this is your game you don't 881 00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:04,440 know all these guys you could release it 882 00:46:08,089 --> 00:46:06,180 so we showed them how to set up the 883 00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:08,099 account whatever that account was where 884 00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:10,680 you you nobody knows who you are so he 885 00:46:14,329 --> 00:46:12,900 set up the account and he started to 886 00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,339 send it to people so he sent it to you 887 00:46:19,609 --> 00:46:16,560 and he sent it to Richard and he sent it 888 00:46:20,990 --> 00:46:19,619 to uh James Fox and he sent it to all 889 00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:21,000 these people I said this is your job you 890 00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:22,859 can send it out so you got it from James 891 00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:25,440 rigney he was doing the the job of 892 00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:26,640 putting it up because nobody was reading 893 00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:27,839 it was on the internet nobody was 894 00:46:32,030 --> 00:46:30,839 picking up on it yeah that what was 895 00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:32,040 weird 896 00:46:38,750 --> 00:46:35,520 and uh we'll jump forward uh in just a 897 00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,760 bit but what was weird was there uh 898 00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,800 there was a mention of Stephen Greer you 899 00:46:43,609 --> 00:46:42,720 know in the document about the Pentagon 900 00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:43,619 meeting 901 00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,780 and so the next day uh uh after I got it 902 00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,359 I called Greer and I said I've got I've 903 00:46:57,230 --> 00:46:54,480 got this document he didn't you know 904 00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:57,240 Greer right the document King he he 905 00:47:00,670 --> 00:46:58,980 didn't know what I was talking about I 906 00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:00,680 said your name is in it 907 00:47:07,849 --> 00:47:04,619 and uh so why send it to group that the 908 00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:07,859 document uh it it didn't spread you're 909 00:47:11,630 --> 00:47:10,020 absolutely right it was it was it was 910 00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,640 pretty strange it was pretty Richard got 911 00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,200 it it started to move when Richard made 912 00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:15,599 mention of it and he of course phoned 913 00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:16,440 some of the people that were in the 914 00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:17,640 document and said okay I got this 915 00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:19,940 document and he got some confirmations 916 00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,319 and I knew that he was on your show and 917 00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:24,240 I mentioned this before I remember at 918 00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:26,520 one point you had interviewed Richard in 919 00:47:30,290 --> 00:47:28,740 December I think December's the 18th or 920 00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:30,300 19th of the year before the document 921 00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:33,180 broke two pages yeah and he that's what 922 00:47:36,650 --> 00:47:35,400 he said and and James rigney phoned me 923 00:47:38,510 --> 00:47:36,660 from Australia and he said did you give 924 00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,520 the document to Dolan I said no I didn't 925 00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:40,319 give the document he said well he's 926 00:47:42,349 --> 00:47:41,220 talking about it so what do you mean 927 00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:42,359 he's talking about he's on Jimmy 928 00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:43,619 Church's show he's talking about the 929 00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:45,480 document so I went and I listened and I 930 00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,680 went he is talking about the document 931 00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:48,240 I'm thinking like maybe I did give him 932 00:47:51,290 --> 00:47:49,619 the document how does he know and then 933 00:47:53,089 --> 00:47:51,300 he said it was the two pages and that is 934 00:47:55,849 --> 00:47:53,099 one of the most confirming parts of the 935 00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:55,859 story was that Richard was live on the 936 00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:58,260 air before we leaked the document and he 937 00:48:01,609 --> 00:47:59,880 was saying that he had seen two pages of 938 00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:01,619 this document and he describes the 939 00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:03,720 Wilson document there's no doubt he had 940 00:48:09,890 --> 00:48:06,540 had it for a long time those two pages 941 00:48:11,809 --> 00:48:09,900 uh I think it was 10 years ago yeah 10 942 00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,819 years 10 years it would have been 13 943 00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:13,920 years ago when he was on the show he 944 00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:16,920 said uh 10 years at that point 945 00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,839 um and I remember I canceled all of my 946 00:48:24,050 --> 00:48:20,880 plans for Coast that week and I did the 947 00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:24,060 Wilson Davis uh document uh that that 948 00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:27,359 Friday night uh and yeah you're right 949 00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,220 you're right right after that 950 00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:31,680 it uh it just completely took off well 951 00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:34,319 okay so here's the thing 952 00:48:38,930 --> 00:48:37,800 um uh you I had never heard of Oak 953 00:48:43,970 --> 00:48:38,940 Shannon 954 00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:43,980 and uh but when Richard and I uh were 955 00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:45,900 talking that first night on the phone uh 956 00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:49,440 and and you as well Richard is uh zeroed 957 00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,339 in on Oak Shannon and I I at the time I 958 00:48:58,370 --> 00:48:55,200 didn't know 959 00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,380 um was an oak Shannon you have you had 960 00:49:04,849 --> 00:49:00,960 mentioned to me prior and I didn't 961 00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:04,859 realize that Oak was who he was in the 962 00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:07,380 center of all of this but having him 963 00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:09,960 being part of the Wilson Davis document 964 00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:12,599 like he is and then of course this 965 00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:15,060 interview with Project Unity which was a 966 00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:17,700 fantastic interview uh just incredible 967 00:49:23,870 --> 00:49:20,640 but to have somebody come forward from 968 00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:23,880 this document and speak about it that's 969 00:49:28,609 --> 00:49:26,700 extraordinary in of itself isn't it yeah 970 00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:28,619 and then that was what was significant 971 00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:31,680 to me when I saw the first page of the 972 00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,720 document I saw OK Shannon's name and 973 00:49:38,510 --> 00:49:36,000 Eric Davis's name I knew for a fact that 974 00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:38,520 I was probably one of the few people in 975 00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:40,380 the world who knew old Shannon was and 976 00:49:43,849 --> 00:49:42,180 Oak Shannon is not a major player so 977 00:49:45,770 --> 00:49:43,859 that may be why nobody knows who he is 978 00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:45,780 so he was not like if you take a look at 979 00:49:50,089 --> 00:49:48,180 the list in this new Oak Shannon notes 980 00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:50,099 you'll see a lot of the Avery names you 981 00:49:54,770 --> 00:49:52,740 know the the old boys boys to keep you 982 00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:54,780 know recycling over and over again but 983 00:49:59,569 --> 00:49:57,060 Oak Shannon was just a guy who was there 984 00:50:01,550 --> 00:49:59,579 because he worked at Los Alamos or yeah 985 00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:01,560 Los Alamos National Labs and that's 986 00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:03,960 where John Alexander worked and they 987 00:50:07,970 --> 00:50:05,700 were both there at the same time and 988 00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:07,980 John was running this you have what they 989 00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:09,540 call used to call the UFO working group 990 00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:11,099 and 991 00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:12,720 um Oak Shannon was brought in but oh 992 00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:14,460 Shannon was not a major figure he was 993 00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:17,280 not a UFO guy he described to uh Project 994 00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:19,619 Unity the fact that he he and his friend 995 00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:21,420 were working on this this uh 996 00:50:25,790 --> 00:50:23,400 five-dimensional universe theory and 997 00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:25,800 stuff like that but he was not a UFO guy 998 00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:28,319 he'd had a UFO setting later on but he 999 00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:29,940 was not the UFO guy he was not he was 1000 00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:32,579 not in the crowd with with with uh put 1001 00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:34,680 off and green and all those guys he was 1002 00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,780 just sort of on the outside and he knew 1003 00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:38,640 Eric Davis and that's what I knew so I 1004 00:50:44,089 --> 00:50:41,160 knew he knew Eric Davis and I so I knew 1005 00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:44,099 that this was the real and that's why I 1006 00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:45,780 immediately knew this was the real deal 1007 00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:49,319 document and um it turned out it was 1008 00:50:53,630 --> 00:50:51,960 significant in that Oak Shannon was the 1009 00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:53,640 guy that put the whole thing together so 1010 00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:55,260 his only connection to this whole thing 1011 00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:57,900 was that Wilson was was given an 1012 00:51:02,569 --> 00:51:00,180 opportunity to talk to Davis and he was 1013 00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:02,579 he was sort of screening him to see 1014 00:51:05,569 --> 00:51:04,020 whether he was going to talk to him and 1015 00:51:07,730 --> 00:51:05,579 that's when he asked Oh Shannon do you 1016 00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:07,740 know this Eric Davis guy what do you 1017 00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:09,420 think of him oh he's reliable you can 1018 00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:10,740 keep his mouth shut all this kind of 1019 00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:13,140 stuff and that's why Wilson talked to 1020 00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:15,180 Eric Davis so that's the role that that 1021 00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,400 that Oak Shannon played but he was not 1022 00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:19,200 really involved in anything he was just 1023 00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:22,020 happened to be involved in this uh uh 1024 00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:23,460 Advanced physics theoretical working 1025 00:51:28,609 --> 00:51:26,460 group from 1985 with John Alexander and 1026 00:51:32,809 --> 00:51:28,619 these all these 20 guys with top secret 1027 00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,819 special compartmental uh uh access uh 1028 00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:35,040 clearances who talked about UFOs that 1029 00:51:37,849 --> 00:51:36,480 were trying to get funding the same as 1030 00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:37,859 as what's going on now where they're 1031 00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:38,700 trying to get the funding through 1032 00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:41,640 Congress all this in 1985 thing that 1033 00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:43,140 we're going to talk about was exactly 1034 00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:44,760 the same thing they were trying to get 1035 00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:46,140 money out of Congress they were trying 1036 00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,880 to build a program they were trying to 1037 00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:49,920 get evidence to prove that UFOs should 1038 00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,380 be studied and it did it ended up 1039 00:51:56,270 --> 00:51:54,240 falling flat John Alexander couldn't get 1040 00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:56,280 any money and that and so Oak was 1041 00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:58,260 involved but he was not a major player 1042 00:52:01,790 --> 00:51:59,880 as far as I know he doesn't give any 1043 00:52:03,890 --> 00:52:01,800 presentations he doesn't say anything in 1044 00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:03,900 the UF you see the notes he doesn't 1045 00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,700 really talk about anything he's just 1046 00:52:10,849 --> 00:52:07,920 taking notes and he takes 20 I think 1047 00:52:13,309 --> 00:52:10,859 it's 26 pages so there's 24 pages of 1048 00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,319 notes then there's the cover page and 1049 00:52:17,809 --> 00:52:15,599 there's the page of the you know the 1050 00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,819 diagram how to get to this uh skiff they 1051 00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:20,160 were in a in a skiff in Virginia in a in 1052 00:52:26,089 --> 00:52:23,640 a in a uh compartmentalized uh facility 1053 00:52:27,950 --> 00:52:26,099 in Virginia so 1054 00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:27,960 um that was his role but not a major 1055 00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:30,240 role but that was the whole thing is I 1056 00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:33,480 knew who he was because I Eric Davis had 1057 00:52:37,609 --> 00:52:34,980 given me the notes that we're going to 1058 00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:37,619 talk about tonight and Oak Shannon as 1059 00:52:42,650 --> 00:52:40,260 you heard with uh Project Unity on that 1060 00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:42,660 heart attack and he he had he had died 1061 00:52:47,089 --> 00:52:45,420 four or five times on the table and so 1062 00:52:49,549 --> 00:52:47,099 this is about the same time I was 1063 00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:49,559 dealing with Eric Davis and the nids 1064 00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,900 guys and this was a about the same time 1065 00:52:56,210 --> 00:52:53,760 as the Wilson thing it was about 2001 1066 00:52:58,670 --> 00:52:56,220 2002 if you go back and see when did 1067 00:52:59,870 --> 00:52:58,680 Eric Davis get laid off from nids that's 1068 00:53:01,490 --> 00:52:59,880 when I was dealing with him because he 1069 00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:01,500 was very upset he'd been the first guy 1070 00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:02,940 to get laid off from Ned's he didn't 1071 00:53:06,829 --> 00:53:05,460 have a job he had kids and a family and 1072 00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,839 he was trying to find a job and he 1073 00:53:10,910 --> 00:53:08,400 eventually gets a job with the Air Force 1074 00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,920 doing this gravity control thing or 1075 00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:12,720 whatever it was with the Air Force you 1076 00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:14,579 know cloaking and all this kind of stuff 1077 00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:16,980 and uh so that's when I talked to him it 1078 00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:19,680 was about that time and he basically 1079 00:53:24,349 --> 00:53:22,740 told me that Oak was very sick and that 1080 00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:24,359 he might not make it and he gave me the 1081 00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:27,420 documents and he said if Oak passes away 1082 00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:29,040 you can put these documents on the 1083 00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,420 internet and so that was my connection 1084 00:53:33,890 --> 00:53:32,640 so I knew Oak Shannon was I knew that he 1085 00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:33,900 had a very close connection with Eric 1086 00:53:37,849 --> 00:53:36,059 Davis and I and I knew that this was 1087 00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:37,859 significant this was not a fake document 1088 00:53:40,910 --> 00:53:39,420 because who would have faked it they 1089 00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:40,920 would have had to know about Oak Shannon 1090 00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,599 and I just maintained nobody would know 1091 00:53:48,530 --> 00:53:44,160 who Shannon was they would know Eric 1092 00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:48,540 Davis but not Oak Shannon so uh uh you 1093 00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:50,220 just mentioned something I know you 1094 00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:52,200 mentioned it in the past but uh let's 1095 00:53:58,510 --> 00:53:55,020 Circle back to this the original 28 1096 00:54:01,609 --> 00:53:58,520 pages of notes you got from Eric Davis 1097 00:54:02,829 --> 00:54:01,619 correct and 1098 00:54:06,609 --> 00:54:02,839 um 1099 00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:06,619 these notes are from 1985. so 1100 00:54:11,329 --> 00:54:09,660 there shouldn't be I don't think there's 1101 00:54:13,849 --> 00:54:11,339 any classification on the notes they're 1102 00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:13,859 just notes the the cut there's not a 1103 00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:16,680 cover page uh the first page that you 1104 00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,760 were referring to was the visitor passes 1105 00:54:24,370 --> 00:54:23,040 right that were issued and who was going 1106 00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:24,380 to have access 1107 00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:27,359 uh and and the requirements for that 1108 00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:29,220 which was a top secret ass access 1109 00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:35,460 signals uh access uh to uh to attend 1110 00:54:39,049 --> 00:54:37,500 this meeting that's what that that's 1111 00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,059 what that page is so the notes 1112 00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:42,000 themselves aren't classified and if it's 1113 00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:46,440 20 uh 1985 which is almost 40 years ago 1114 00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:49,260 now their their public interest in 1115 00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:50,700 public domain at this point right 1116 00:54:58,130 --> 00:54:53,520 there's no restriction to releasing into 1117 00:55:00,170 --> 00:54:58,140 the uh in into uh the public domain yeah 1118 00:55:02,030 --> 00:55:00,180 and and to me it was I would have held 1119 00:55:04,250 --> 00:55:02,040 these notes forever I I leaked little 1120 00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:04,260 bits of them and and I've always said I 1121 00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,520 had Oakshire and his notes I've said 1122 00:55:09,170 --> 00:55:07,680 that numerous times right uh but the 1123 00:55:10,609 --> 00:55:09,180 thing was that when OK Shannon went 1124 00:55:12,650 --> 00:55:10,619 public then I went well what am I doing 1125 00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,660 holding these notes for it that's why I 1126 00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:14,160 decided I was going to come public and 1127 00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,200 that's when Oak Shannon came to me and 1128 00:55:20,329 --> 00:55:18,240 said well I'd like to see the documents 1129 00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:20,339 before I'm not going to stop you from 1130 00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,020 releasing them but I'd like to know 1131 00:55:26,569 --> 00:55:24,240 what's coming can I see them and I so I 1132 00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:26,579 I gave them copies I said that's fine I 1133 00:55:30,650 --> 00:55:28,740 gave him copies and uh he came back and 1134 00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:30,660 basically said I don't even remember 1135 00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:33,540 this like what is this thing it doesn't 1136 00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:34,980 like to him the notes didn't really make 1137 00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:37,140 any sense and he he didn't even remember 1138 00:55:40,609 --> 00:55:38,819 what the thing was and I said well it 1139 00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:40,619 was this thing with John Alexander your 1140 00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:42,420 friend John and they were running this 1141 00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:45,119 UFO thing and I got him from Eric Davis 1142 00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:47,880 and then uh then this morning then he 1143 00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:49,260 sort of said he didn't know who I was 1144 00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:51,420 but you remember clearly that he was 1145 00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,720 asked by uh Project Unity do you know 1146 00:55:59,390 --> 00:55:56,160 who Grant Cameron is and he said well 1147 00:56:01,549 --> 00:55:59,400 yeah so he knew who I was and and uh 1148 00:56:03,710 --> 00:56:01,559 that's the thing I figured like I'm not 1149 00:56:06,170 --> 00:56:03,720 a secrecy guy I mean I just get so 1150 00:56:07,849 --> 00:56:06,180 annoyed by this whole deal of secret 1151 00:56:08,930 --> 00:56:07,859 Secrets everybody's got Secrets 1152 00:56:10,790 --> 00:56:08,940 everybody's got non-disclosure 1153 00:56:12,530 --> 00:56:10,800 agreements and it's like and you you get 1154 00:56:14,930 --> 00:56:12,540 down to it it's like I always refer to 1155 00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,940 like in the present Congress situation I 1156 00:56:17,930 --> 00:56:16,079 say they're doing all this stuff in 1157 00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:17,940 Congress what has the public been told 1158 00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:20,880 nothing absolutely not a damn thing even 1159 00:56:24,109 --> 00:56:22,680 the 144 sightings they won't even tell 1160 00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:24,119 you what these sightings are and that's 1161 00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:26,040 the thing it's it's being sucked up into 1162 00:56:30,530 --> 00:56:28,200 the black world and to me I mean I'm 1163 00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,540 getting old I'm my health is not as good 1164 00:56:34,849 --> 00:56:32,640 as it was and I I've just had tired of 1165 00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:34,859 playing the games and so to me I figured 1166 00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:36,180 like I'm not going to hold these notes I 1167 00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,619 couldn't be dead in the next couple of 1168 00:56:41,450 --> 00:56:39,599 years and what are we holding these Oak 1169 00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:41,460 Shannon notes that's when I said okay 1170 00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:43,380 he's gone public and now I'm gonna go 1171 00:56:45,710 --> 00:56:44,700 public with these notes that I've got 1172 00:56:48,349 --> 00:56:45,720 because I think they're very interesting 1173 00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:48,359 when you look at them they describe this 1174 00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:49,740 very interesting thing that the New York 1175 00:56:54,049 --> 00:56:51,240 Times actually wrote a book on called 1176 00:56:55,309 --> 00:56:54,059 out there and and Howard Bloom wrote a 1177 00:56:57,170 --> 00:56:55,319 book and then it was called the UFO 1178 00:56:59,329 --> 00:56:57,180 working group and he said he had been 1179 00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,339 given a source from the NSA had given it 1180 00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:01,200 to him which if you look in the notes is 1181 00:57:07,609 --> 00:57:04,440 is uh McConnell uh I think his name is 1182 00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:07,619 McConnell um Hal McConnell from uh from 1183 00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:09,660 National Security Agency and they wrote 1184 00:57:13,849 --> 00:57:10,980 a whole book on this thing and they had 1185 00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,859 uh gave people all fake names and stuff 1186 00:57:17,630 --> 00:57:15,839 like that and John was sort of denying 1187 00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:17,640 that the thing existed and I first 1188 00:57:21,770 --> 00:57:19,859 showed the very first of that first page 1189 00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:21,780 I showed the top secret thing and what 1190 00:57:25,130 --> 00:57:22,920 it was called the advanced physics 1191 00:57:29,390 --> 00:57:25,140 theoretical working group I showed it at 1192 00:57:31,849 --> 00:57:29,400 first this is maybe in 2003 2004 at 1193 00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,859 Eureka Springs and I remember I put it 1194 00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:34,319 on there and and stated that I had this 1195 00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:36,000 and then John Suddenly started to come 1196 00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:37,500 forward and describe the advanced 1197 00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:39,119 physics theoretical working group and he 1198 00:57:42,650 --> 00:57:41,160 said they didn't there was no notes and 1199 00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:42,660 then I said well I've got Eric I've got 1200 00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:45,359 uh okshana's notes and then as I recall 1201 00:57:49,309 --> 00:57:47,160 John then started saying well nobody's 1202 00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:49,319 supposed to have notes and and yet you 1203 00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:52,079 Melinda Leslie has a copy of right Ed 1204 00:57:56,569 --> 00:57:54,300 Hulk's notes now he started as extensive 1205 00:58:01,250 --> 00:57:56,579 as these which I have here too as well 1206 00:58:04,430 --> 00:58:01,260 yeah but they uh they they cross it oh 1207 00:58:06,049 --> 00:58:04,440 yeah they match this is this is we're 1208 00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:06,059 going to take a break right here but I'm 1209 00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:08,700 gonna just say this as as a matter of 1210 00:58:14,329 --> 00:58:12,540 fact we have what's going on uh with uh 1211 00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,339 the Department of Defense and Congress 1212 00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,079 in the House of Representatives and 1213 00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:19,200 what's going on over there okay what 1214 00:58:25,010 --> 00:58:22,079 what is happening right now the research 1215 00:58:27,890 --> 00:58:25,020 of the UFO Community the Wilson Davis 1216 00:58:31,250 --> 00:58:27,900 docks Oak Shannon Project Unity your no 1217 00:58:33,770 --> 00:58:31,260 to Melinda Leslie and others this is a 1218 00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:33,780 bigger bombshell than anything we're 1219 00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:36,240 doing better research than the House of 1220 00:58:39,890 --> 00:58:38,099 Representatives or anybody that's giving 1221 00:58:42,650 --> 00:58:39,900 them information or anything that's 1222 00:58:44,569 --> 00:58:42,660 going on in the Department of Defense uh 1223 00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:44,579 the gillibrand amendment all of that so 1224 00:58:50,569 --> 00:58:48,480 which is cool it pales in comparison to 1225 00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:50,579 the efforts of the members of the UFO 1226 00:58:56,930 --> 00:58:53,640 Community yourself uh Melinda Leslie 1227 00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,940 huge props right huge props and the 1228 00:59:01,970 --> 00:58:59,040 Wilson Davis document and and how we're 1229 00:59:04,430 --> 00:59:01,980 moving forward and this is this is a 1230 00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:04,440 really really big deal Grant huge huge 1231 00:59:07,730 --> 00:59:06,180 moment for this community yeah 1232 00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:07,740 especially if it's true that what I 1233 00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:09,839 heard was that they are basing their 1234 00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,900 investigation on the Wilson document I 1235 00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:15,119 mean it's like we've given them the sort 1236 00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:17,760 of the trail to follow remember this 1237 00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,040 thing yeah yeah giving them the road map 1238 00:59:24,890 --> 00:59:22,799 and and one last comment before we get 1239 00:59:27,710 --> 00:59:24,900 to uh the Break 1240 00:59:32,049 --> 00:59:27,720 um Oak Shannon and again the Project 1241 00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:32,059 Unity interview was Monumental it was 1242 00:59:40,370 --> 00:59:37,380 amazing it was so good but but Oaks uh 1243 00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:40,380 recollection and the way that uh you 1244 00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,000 know he said I know everybody that's in 1245 00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:44,640 that document talking about Wilson Davis 1246 00:59:51,770 --> 00:59:47,760 um and the way that he presented it it 1247 00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:51,780 was uh to me it had the same flavor you 1248 00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,240 know it was identical to the 1249 00:59:59,150 --> 00:59:56,400 presentation in Wilson and and Eric 1250 01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,160 Davis notes yeah and and we have the 1251 01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:01,440 situation where and you know this that 1252 01:00:05,150 --> 01:00:03,240 Oak Shannon is sort of like how's this 1253 01:00:07,010 --> 01:00:05,160 going to play out I really didn't want 1254 01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:07,020 to be a part of this you know he did the 1255 01:00:10,490 --> 01:00:08,880 interview but he figured maybe it was 1256 01:00:12,589 --> 01:00:10,500 the one interview and now he's in this 1257 01:00:14,450 --> 01:00:12,599 situation where he's sort of become the 1258 01:00:16,370 --> 01:00:14,460 focus of this thing and he doesn't want 1259 01:00:17,809 --> 01:00:16,380 to really be a UFO guy he doesn't want 1260 01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:17,819 to deal with this stuff 1261 01:00:23,630 --> 01:00:20,760 I think he's uh I liked his comment 1262 01:00:26,329 --> 01:00:23,640 about the fan tale right when he was out 1263 01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,339 on uh you know out on the ship in the 1264 01:00:31,130 --> 01:00:29,040 Pacific and and you know he was up on 1265 01:00:34,010 --> 01:00:31,140 and and somebody came up dude where are 1266 01:00:36,530 --> 01:00:34,020 UFO in the back and so he goes out you 1267 01:00:38,750 --> 01:00:36,540 know it was a red and blue uh uh 1268 01:00:41,089 --> 01:00:38,760 flickering red and green flickering star 1269 01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:41,099 off in the distance but he brought that 1270 01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:42,720 up and I thought it was a great point 1271 01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:45,900 that a you can misunderstand things but 1272 01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:48,720 second it also opens up your eyes and 1273 01:00:55,250 --> 01:00:51,839 that was uh his introduction into the 1274 01:00:56,930 --> 01:00:55,260 world of UFOs and and he wanted to uh to 1275 01:00:59,089 --> 01:00:56,940 see what was going on so I thought that 1276 01:01:01,250 --> 01:00:59,099 was pretty good excellent interview uh 1277 01:01:02,930 --> 01:01:01,260 with Project Unity let's take our break 1278 01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:02,940 right here our guest tonight the one and 1279 01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:06,720 only Grant Cameron at the center once 1280 01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:07,520 again 1281 01:01:12,410 --> 01:01:10,079 it's Grant Cameron week here on Fade to 1282 01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:12,420 Black I'm Yours Jimmy church more with 1283 01:01:17,870 --> 01:01:16,079 Grant after this short break 1284 01:01:18,740 --> 01:01:17,880 I'm your Timmy Church stay with us we'll 1285 01:01:44,349 --> 01:01:18,750 be right back 1286 01:01:51,730 --> 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1371 01:05:51,410 --> 01:05:48,900 conscious life Expo and you're listening 1372 01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:51,420 to fade to black with Jimmy Church who 1373 01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:53,640 holds the lucky pony record for the best 1374 01:05:58,329 --> 01:05:57,119 astrological chart since 1963. true 1375 01:06:00,650 --> 01:05:58,339 story 1376 01:06:02,210 --> 01:06:00,660 this is Micah Hanks of the gralian 1377 01:06:20,590 --> 01:06:02,220 report and you're listening to Jimmy 1378 01:06:26,750 --> 01:06:24,710 [Music] 1379 01:06:28,010 --> 01:06:26,760 welcome back say to Black I'm your 1380 01:06:30,289 --> 01:06:28,020 assuming Church 1381 01:06:32,750 --> 01:06:30,299 tonight Grant Cameron's bombshell week 1382 01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:32,760 here on Fade to Black 1383 01:06:37,250 --> 01:06:35,520 centered around of course oh Grant 1384 01:06:39,890 --> 01:06:37,260 Cameron 1385 01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:39,900 um uh the Wilson Davis document the oak 1386 01:06:47,150 --> 01:06:42,720 Shannon interview that uh happened uh a 1387 01:06:52,250 --> 01:06:47,160 few days ago on Project Unity and the 1388 01:06:55,490 --> 01:06:52,260 notes of Oak Shannon and others uh which 1389 01:06:58,270 --> 01:06:55,500 I have here tonight and uh we're gonna 1390 01:07:02,150 --> 01:06:58,280 go through not not everything but a few 1391 01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,160 uh select pages and and and jump into 1392 01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:04,079 this because there are some specific 1393 01:07:11,569 --> 01:07:06,000 things 1394 01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:11,579 um uh that stand out uh with these and 1395 01:07:16,990 --> 01:07:13,980 um and so we're going to spend some time 1396 01:07:20,569 --> 01:07:17,000 on some specific talking points uh Grant 1397 01:07:23,690 --> 01:07:20,579 and uh hats off to Melinda Leslie 1398 01:07:27,470 --> 01:07:23,700 um uh for highlighting the things that 1399 01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:27,480 that uh my eyes were drawn to and I 1400 01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:29,280 think it's just confirmation from all of 1401 01:07:34,010 --> 01:07:31,200 this uh that there are some certain 1402 01:07:36,529 --> 01:07:34,020 things that uh stick out and uh and 1403 01:07:37,549 --> 01:07:36,539 there's one other thing as we get into 1404 01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:37,559 this 1405 01:07:43,490 --> 01:07:40,500 um did you notice how many times dollar 1406 01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:43,500 signs were in these notes yeah well 1407 01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:44,640 that's 1408 01:07:49,789 --> 01:07:46,799 um dollar signs yeah I think well I 1409 01:07:51,529 --> 01:07:49,799 think Melinda's uh copy with uh Ed Houck 1410 01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,539 actually has the budget and that's what 1411 01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:53,039 people have to remember the advanced 1412 01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:55,200 physics theoretical working group was 1413 01:07:58,430 --> 01:07:56,460 actually a group that was put together 1414 01:08:01,010 --> 01:07:58,440 by John Alexander to try to get funding 1415 01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:01,020 from the US government so if you see in 1416 01:08:05,329 --> 01:08:02,880 in certain parts they're they're talking 1417 01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:05,339 about the uh what they need to convince 1418 01:08:08,510 --> 01:08:07,260 people like the blue book The Blue Book 1419 01:08:09,950 --> 01:08:08,520 said everything was garbage whatever 1420 01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,960 well we need to talk about the 1421 01:08:13,370 --> 01:08:11,520 unidentified with the blue book so 1422 01:08:15,470 --> 01:08:13,380 they're they're placing this thing how 1423 01:08:16,610 --> 01:08:15,480 do we convince people and John has told 1424 01:08:19,309 --> 01:08:16,620 the stories 1425 01:08:20,689 --> 01:08:19,319 um about and I will agree that John's 1426 01:08:22,249 --> 01:08:20,699 story is actually pretty accurate when 1427 01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:22,259 you listen to John Alexander talk about 1428 01:08:26,930 --> 01:08:24,540 it and you compare it to Oak Shannon's 1429 01:08:28,970 --> 01:08:26,940 notes he's pretty much on he basically 1430 01:08:30,769 --> 01:08:28,980 talks about the fact that it was it was 1431 01:08:33,169 --> 01:08:30,779 to gain money and he talks about going 1432 01:08:34,370 --> 01:08:33,179 to the guy who's running Star Wars and 1433 01:08:35,809 --> 01:08:34,380 he was trying to get money from the guy 1434 01:08:37,849 --> 01:08:35,819 for Star Wars and the guy said are you 1435 01:08:40,490 --> 01:08:37,859 kidding me they're already after my 1436 01:08:42,650 --> 01:08:40,500 budget if I do UFOs I could lose my 1437 01:08:43,849 --> 01:08:42,660 entire budget and he Big John just 1438 01:08:46,130 --> 01:08:43,859 basically said nobody would would 1439 01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:46,140 finance a thing and that's why you see 1440 01:08:49,070 --> 01:08:47,520 all these dollar signs and you see who 1441 01:08:51,289 --> 01:08:49,080 they're going to it that one point on 1442 01:08:53,870 --> 01:08:51,299 the one page they go you see they go to 1443 01:08:56,209 --> 01:08:53,880 keyword Now keywords was the science 1444 01:08:58,490 --> 01:08:56,219 advisor to President Reagan and it says 1445 01:09:01,249 --> 01:08:58,500 no Then it says P which is the president 1446 01:09:02,809 --> 01:09:01,259 no vice president no and it goes through 1447 01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,819 this whole thing and they're going and 1448 01:09:05,329 --> 01:09:04,080 it looks like they're asking certain 1449 01:09:07,550 --> 01:09:05,339 people and they're trying to get this 1450 01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,560 this funding so it was basically the 1451 01:09:12,590 --> 01:09:09,359 bottom line was money they were trying 1452 01:09:14,090 --> 01:09:12,600 to get funding for a UFO program to 1453 01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:14,100 investigate exactly what they're doing 1454 01:09:17,570 --> 01:09:15,839 now in Congress that's why I say it's 1455 01:09:19,729 --> 01:09:17,580 like the Bible says there's nothing new 1456 01:09:23,150 --> 01:09:19,739 Under the Sun they just recycle this 1457 01:09:24,590 --> 01:09:23,160 program and it's like you have a Bigelow 1458 01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:24,600 has money they all appear Bigelow's 1459 01:09:28,849 --> 01:09:26,640 Place Joe firmage has money they appear 1460 01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:28,859 Joe firmage's Place Tom Delong has 1461 01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:31,020 contacts they go to Tom Delong and all 1462 01:09:34,189 --> 01:09:32,279 these people are just gravitating to 1463 01:09:35,809 --> 01:09:34,199 these same programs and everybody's 1464 01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:35,819 trying to get this funding or they're 1465 01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:37,500 trying to get information and it's the 1466 01:09:42,110 --> 01:09:39,060 same guy showing up all the time but it 1467 01:09:43,789 --> 01:09:42,120 basically was a was to try to get money 1468 01:09:44,930 --> 01:09:43,799 for funding that's what it was about and 1469 01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:44,940 the one thing I wanted to point out 1470 01:09:49,849 --> 01:09:47,279 before we start is when you look at that 1471 01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:49,859 page where people are signing in what 1472 01:09:53,570 --> 01:09:51,359 you'll see on the top of it is 1473 01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:53,580 Department of energy so when you have 1474 01:09:57,770 --> 01:09:55,440 this big scan this big thing with Donald 1475 01:10:00,890 --> 01:09:57,780 Trump Donald Trump says I can I can 1476 01:10:02,750 --> 01:10:00,900 declassify stuff in my head uh he the 1477 01:10:04,250 --> 01:10:02,760 president can declassify stuff just by 1478 01:10:06,110 --> 01:10:04,260 talking about it Jimmy Carter did it 1479 01:10:07,550 --> 01:10:06,120 with the stealth stealth fighter when 1480 01:10:09,770 --> 01:10:07,560 the stealth fighter suddenly he 1481 01:10:11,450 --> 01:10:09,780 mentioned it and suddenly the it became 1482 01:10:14,090 --> 01:10:11,460 sort of public and they had to start 1483 01:10:16,669 --> 01:10:14,100 declassifying stuff and Barack Obama did 1484 01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:16,679 it with Area 51 he used the word Area 51 1485 01:10:21,470 --> 01:10:18,000 and he said I'm probably the first 1486 01:10:23,450 --> 01:10:21,480 president not to uh talk about Area 51 1487 01:10:24,890 --> 01:10:23,460 and that's when the name was allowed to 1488 01:10:27,050 --> 01:10:24,900 be used but on this one you see 1489 01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:27,060 Department of energy and the one thing 1490 01:10:31,010 --> 01:10:28,980 that the president cannot automatically 1491 01:10:32,510 --> 01:10:31,020 declassify is stuff out of the 1492 01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:32,520 Department of energy it's run by 1493 01:10:37,970 --> 01:10:35,280 Congress through the uh the atomic 1494 01:10:40,669 --> 01:10:37,980 energy commission and it has to you the 1495 01:10:43,250 --> 01:10:40,679 president needs cooperation from the 1496 01:10:44,570 --> 01:10:43,260 Congress in order to classify anything 1497 01:10:46,370 --> 01:10:44,580 in the department of energy and there's 1498 01:10:47,689 --> 01:10:46,380 always been a rumor going around in the 1499 01:10:49,850 --> 01:10:47,699 UFO community that one of the places 1500 01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:49,860 they may have hit the UFO they was in 1501 01:10:52,910 --> 01:10:51,300 the department of energy because that's 1502 01:10:57,530 --> 01:10:52,920 the one place that the executive branch 1503 01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:57,540 couldn't get to now this is uh this is 1504 01:11:01,790 --> 01:10:59,760 what I've just posted here if you look 1505 01:11:05,950 --> 01:11:01,800 at the top it says Department of energy 1506 01:11:10,130 --> 01:11:05,960 as Grant just pointed out this is a 1507 01:11:13,689 --> 01:11:10,140 visitor pass uh application that you 1508 01:11:17,450 --> 01:11:13,699 have to fill out to get into 1509 01:11:21,229 --> 01:11:17,460 uh onto a base or into a secured 1510 01:11:24,430 --> 01:11:21,239 facility and but what's what's key here 1511 01:11:28,189 --> 01:11:24,440 is the date which is May 8 1512 01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,199 1985. and then if you look it says 1513 01:11:33,890 --> 01:11:30,000 security classification it says top 1514 01:11:36,110 --> 01:11:33,900 secret that anybody that is uh that has 1515 01:11:39,229 --> 01:11:36,120 access to this meeting or to this 1516 01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:39,239 facility has to have top secret access 1517 01:11:45,709 --> 01:11:42,239 and then there's a slash and it says 1518 01:11:49,729 --> 01:11:45,719 signals so you have to have a very 1519 01:11:52,370 --> 01:11:49,739 specific uh security clearance to move 1520 01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:52,380 forward and that's what this page is and 1521 01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:54,000 of course there's a partial list of name 1522 01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:57,120 aims here but it's the date on this 1523 01:12:02,390 --> 01:12:00,000 document that uh to me is what is 1524 01:12:03,950 --> 01:12:02,400 crucial and the fact that it's top 1525 01:12:05,630 --> 01:12:03,960 secret because how many top secret 1526 01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:05,640 documents can you name in the UFO 1527 01:12:09,229 --> 01:12:06,719 Community there are none they're 1528 01:12:12,110 --> 01:12:09,239 basically and so this dot this thing 1529 01:12:14,689 --> 01:12:12,120 this discussion on UFOs is taking place 1530 01:12:16,970 --> 01:12:14,699 at a top secret level not not 1531 01:12:19,130 --> 01:12:16,980 unclassified or secret or whatever it's 1532 01:12:20,930 --> 01:12:19,140 top secret this is they're taking this 1533 01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:20,940 very serious and the 21 people according 1534 01:12:26,330 --> 01:12:24,600 to John you needed this SCI uh addition 1535 01:12:28,490 --> 01:12:26,340 to your top secret clearance to get into 1536 01:12:32,450 --> 01:12:28,500 the room even to discuss this 1537 01:12:35,450 --> 01:12:32,460 and here is the map of the location 1538 01:12:37,370 --> 01:12:35,460 you pointed out earlier 1539 01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:37,380 um well you got to have a you got to 1540 01:12:40,610 --> 01:12:38,820 have a treasure map right you got to 1541 01:12:43,490 --> 01:12:40,620 know where you're going for GPS yeah 1542 01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:43,500 yeah or GPS 1543 01:12:50,750 --> 01:12:48,000 um now here I've got a clearer page of 1544 01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:50,760 this I'm going to pull this down and I 1545 01:12:57,649 --> 01:12:54,840 am going to pop this up here 1546 01:13:01,729 --> 01:12:57,659 um this is the same page uh this is from 1547 01:13:05,450 --> 01:13:01,739 uh this is Jack Houck uh and so at the 1548 01:13:08,090 --> 01:13:05,460 top of the page here you can see uh my 1549 01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:08,100 pointer that's uh JH that has been 1550 01:13:15,169 --> 01:13:11,280 marked on these Pages uh for Jack Houck 1551 01:13:17,390 --> 01:13:15,179 there's notes Here Pages marked JH are 1552 01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:17,400 from Jack Houck 1553 01:13:25,490 --> 01:13:21,360 um and then uh anything in yellow is 1554 01:13:30,770 --> 01:13:25,500 Melinda uh for highlights and then all 1555 01:13:35,330 --> 01:13:30,780 other markings are by Jack houch JH okay 1556 01:13:37,930 --> 01:13:35,340 but this page uh is the agenda Advanced 1557 01:13:41,149 --> 01:13:37,940 theoretical physics conference agenda 1558 01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:41,159 again May 8th now on the handwritten 1559 01:13:45,950 --> 01:13:43,199 notes uh we're going to go back and 1560 01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:45,960 forth uh between oak Shannon notes and 1561 01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:48,900 and Jack's notes on Oak Shannon's Pages 1562 01:13:56,570 --> 01:13:52,860 he has he has written May 8th on on 1563 01:13:59,450 --> 01:13:56,580 several of his pages is for uh for 1564 01:14:02,930 --> 01:13:59,460 dating purposes which goes back to the 1565 01:14:05,810 --> 01:14:02,940 original clearance uh visitors access 1566 01:14:10,189 --> 01:14:05,820 page that I showed you uh that is May 1567 01:14:13,610 --> 01:14:10,199 8th this page is also from Oak Shannon's 1568 01:14:15,050 --> 01:14:13,620 Notes too as well all right okay so here 1569 01:14:18,010 --> 01:14:15,060 is the agenda 1570 01:14:20,570 --> 01:14:18,020 now uh 1571 01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:20,580 these documents are now out on the net 1572 01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:22,800 you can go and look at them uh yourself 1573 01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:26,640 it's a very interesting reading but uh 1574 01:14:34,130 --> 01:14:31,199 when uh when you read through this right 1575 01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:34,140 here there's a highlight 1576 01:14:41,330 --> 01:14:37,199 uh by Melinda but this just stands out 1577 01:14:44,450 --> 01:14:41,340 and this is a recurring theme uh from 1578 01:14:47,689 --> 01:14:44,460 this meeting which is research and 1579 01:14:52,610 --> 01:14:47,699 development programs needed and I will 1580 01:14:57,229 --> 01:14:52,620 add uh you know from recovered uh UFO 1581 01:15:03,890 --> 01:15:00,649 Grant yeah yep yep I I agree yeah it's 1582 01:15:05,390 --> 01:15:03,900 it's that's the whole deal is um it in 1583 01:15:07,310 --> 01:15:05,400 the United States there was we had a I 1584 01:15:08,570 --> 01:15:07,320 don't know if you know that Nicole and I 1585 01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:08,580 were involved in some negotiations 1586 01:15:14,330 --> 01:15:10,560 between the Americans and the Canadians 1587 01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:14,340 on on disclosure and um the Canadians 1588 01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:16,080 want to make an effort and we really 1589 01:15:20,510 --> 01:15:18,000 can't get into details but we were 1590 01:15:22,430 --> 01:15:20,520 dealing with Americans to come in and 1591 01:15:25,790 --> 01:15:22,440 help with this uh give some information 1592 01:15:28,729 --> 01:15:25,800 to a bunch of MPS and the American 1593 01:15:30,290 --> 01:15:28,739 um uh conclusion was that this is 1594 01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:30,300 research and development as a possible 1595 01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:33,000 threat it's being run through the armed 1596 01:15:36,649 --> 01:15:34,560 services committee and the intelligence 1597 01:15:38,689 --> 01:15:36,659 committee whereas in Canada it was the 1598 01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:38,699 Canadians made it very clear they want a 1599 01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,500 scientific investigation so here again 1600 01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:42,239 you see the the sort of the military 1601 01:15:46,729 --> 01:15:44,100 aspect to it research and development 1602 01:15:49,010 --> 01:15:46,739 where you're going to develop uh new uh 1603 01:15:50,930 --> 01:15:49,020 you know technology and weapons and this 1604 01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:50,940 sort of thing whereas in Canada they 1605 01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:52,080 just wanted it to be a straight 1606 01:15:56,810 --> 01:15:53,760 scientific program 1607 01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:56,820 and uh so now if we go down uh I just 1608 01:16:02,330 --> 01:16:00,239 jumped ahead to this r d comment here uh 1609 01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,340 we have the the introduction agenda 1610 01:16:06,649 --> 01:16:04,560 objectives purpose introduce attendees 1611 01:16:08,410 --> 01:16:06,659 and describe bonafides I thought that 1612 01:16:12,530 --> 01:16:08,420 was all of this is interesting 1613 01:16:15,290 --> 01:16:12,540 objectives explore evidence presented uh 1614 01:16:17,689 --> 01:16:15,300 B if evidence is sufficient is there 1615 01:16:20,450 --> 01:16:17,699 sufficient evidence to support an r d 1616 01:16:23,709 --> 01:16:20,460 research and development program if 1617 01:16:27,950 --> 01:16:23,719 evidence is sufficient what would the 1618 01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:27,960 trust be develop an action plan and 1619 01:16:32,689 --> 01:16:29,040 we're going to get back to that later 1620 01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,699 because the action plan uh was pretty 1621 01:16:37,970 --> 01:16:34,800 interesting and I'm going to get to the 1622 01:16:40,189 --> 01:16:37,980 notes later but it's specifically grant 1623 01:16:43,070 --> 01:16:40,199 let me ask you uh this really quick 1624 01:16:46,010 --> 01:16:43,080 there's there's a comment 1625 01:16:49,310 --> 01:16:46,020 um at the end of the meeting uh that was 1626 01:16:52,610 --> 01:16:49,320 part of the action plan that said 1627 01:16:56,030 --> 01:16:52,620 if I'm paraphrasing if the UFO 1628 01:17:00,169 --> 01:16:56,040 phenomenon uh is leaked 1629 01:17:02,090 --> 01:17:00,179 we need to have a media plan in advance 1630 01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:02,100 right it was like wait wait wait what 1631 01:17:08,209 --> 01:17:05,520 what what what and when when you saw 1632 01:17:09,530 --> 01:17:08,219 that comment what did you make of that I 1633 01:17:11,570 --> 01:17:09,540 don't even remember that we'll have to 1634 01:17:13,010 --> 01:17:11,580 discuss it when you when you go through 1635 01:17:14,810 --> 01:17:13,020 it I mean that's pretty interesting if 1636 01:17:17,390 --> 01:17:14,820 they do I mean because that was one of 1637 01:17:20,810 --> 01:17:17,400 the things if you remember McConnell uh 1638 01:17:22,370 --> 01:17:20,820 uh McCaslin the Tom delongs guy the the 1639 01:17:23,930 --> 01:17:22,380 guy at Wright Patterson Air Force Base 1640 01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:23,940 that was one of the things that he 1641 01:17:28,610 --> 01:17:26,760 provided was this uh explanation of what 1642 01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,620 to do when disclosure actually takes 1643 01:17:32,270 --> 01:17:30,239 place so that's always going to be a 1644 01:17:35,149 --> 01:17:32,280 consideration and if you remember the 1645 01:17:37,850 --> 01:17:35,159 Paul Heller story Paul Hellyer was given 1646 01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,860 information by the 1647 01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:39,840 um the head of Emergency Management in 1648 01:17:43,790 --> 01:17:41,760 Canada and was told it was told that he 1649 01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:43,800 was briefed on it and the head of 1650 01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:45,360 Emergency Management would be the guy 1651 01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:47,280 that would be briefed because if 1652 01:17:51,229 --> 01:17:49,679 something happens then you know so the 1653 01:17:54,050 --> 01:17:51,239 stock worker melts down or whatever 1654 01:17:55,729 --> 01:17:54,060 happens you need a program to do uh 1655 01:17:57,169 --> 01:17:55,739 something if disclosure does takes place 1656 01:18:00,649 --> 01:17:57,179 so I'm pretty sure that they have 1657 01:18:03,229 --> 01:18:00,659 programs for possible disclosure of an 1658 01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:03,239 alien race and they have plans in in air 1659 01:18:09,530 --> 01:18:05,520 that are ready to go here it is right 1660 01:18:11,930 --> 01:18:09,540 here action uh initiate and selected 1661 01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:11,940 Source uh procurement uh Point number 1662 01:18:19,310 --> 01:18:17,280 two plan a media release now if cover is 1663 01:18:21,770 --> 01:18:19,320 blown later 1664 01:18:25,130 --> 01:18:21,780 although this may refer to 1665 01:18:27,770 --> 01:18:25,140 um if you read Jacques Valley's uh book 1666 01:18:30,770 --> 01:18:27,780 number three uh Forbidden Science he 1667 01:18:33,050 --> 01:18:30,780 talks about this and this may refer to 1668 01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:33,060 the fact that their cover is blown that 1669 01:18:37,130 --> 01:18:35,280 this was this top secret thing and it 1670 01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,140 started to leak right away this whole 1671 01:18:41,870 --> 01:18:39,360 idea through Bloom the New York Times 1672 01:18:44,510 --> 01:18:41,880 picked it up and Jacques ballet had told 1673 01:18:46,669 --> 01:18:44,520 uh no hell put off and told Jacques 1674 01:18:48,050 --> 01:18:46,679 valet about the fact that because this 1675 01:18:49,790 --> 01:18:48,060 story was leaking about the advanced 1676 01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:49,800 physics theoretical working group this 1677 01:18:53,810 --> 01:18:52,320 proved you can't keep a UFO secret it 1678 01:18:55,490 --> 01:18:53,820 was it's actually in Jacque ballet's 1679 01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:55,500 book so it may be their cover not the 1680 01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:57,360 UFO cover but it may be what do you do 1681 01:19:03,110 --> 01:18:59,760 if this this cover that of them working 1682 01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:03,120 on UFOs breaks because the idea was that 1683 01:19:07,070 --> 01:19:04,800 nobody's working on UFOs and here these 1684 01:19:08,930 --> 01:19:07,080 hear these top secret guys are all 1685 01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:08,940 gathering together to try to get funding 1686 01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:11,520 for UFOs so I think that may apply to 1687 01:19:14,810 --> 01:19:13,199 the fact that if their cover is blown 1688 01:19:18,590 --> 01:19:14,820 what are they going to do and their 1689 01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,600 cover did get blown and and I'm going to 1690 01:19:22,010 --> 01:19:20,400 uh we're going to to Circle back to that 1691 01:19:26,689 --> 01:19:22,020 because I think that's a very important 1692 01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:26,699 point and also we can discuss this in a 1693 01:19:32,330 --> 01:19:29,040 bit how put off was there at this 1694 01:19:34,910 --> 01:19:32,340 meeting and he does a presentation and 1695 01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:34,920 there was this whole uh they kept 1696 01:19:42,649 --> 01:19:38,520 calling it PSY right uh you know the 1697 01:19:45,229 --> 01:19:42,659 mind and uh and remote viewing and that 1698 01:19:48,350 --> 01:19:45,239 aspect of it which was interesting and 1699 01:19:52,610 --> 01:19:48,360 then how on the second day did a recap 1700 01:19:54,530 --> 01:19:52,620 of his presentation of the day before 1701 01:19:56,570 --> 01:19:54,540 um I I found that part extremely 1702 01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:56,580 compelling what did you think well the 1703 01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:58,560 thing I point out about that is people 1704 01:20:02,750 --> 01:20:01,199 people don't really I what I I've been 1705 01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:02,760 in so long what I realized that people 1706 01:20:06,830 --> 01:20:04,560 make a mistake is they always think that 1707 01:20:08,630 --> 01:20:06,840 what's happening today in UFOs happened 1708 01:20:12,410 --> 01:20:08,640 back then what you got to realize with 1709 01:20:14,649 --> 01:20:12,420 this is remote viewing was not known by 1710 01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:14,659 the American populace until 1711 01:20:20,030 --> 01:20:18,239 1995 when it was Declassified by the CIA 1712 01:20:21,950 --> 01:20:20,040 when they came and said we did to study 1713 01:20:24,350 --> 01:20:21,960 it doesn't work we're shutting the 1714 01:20:26,630 --> 01:20:24,360 program down that was 1995 that was 10 1715 01:20:28,850 --> 01:20:26,640 years before hell put off is giving a 1716 01:20:30,770 --> 01:20:28,860 briefing on remote viewing to these guys 1717 01:20:32,510 --> 01:20:30,780 and he's using the word remote viewing 1718 01:20:34,430 --> 01:20:32,520 that would not become public until 10 1719 01:20:36,590 --> 01:20:34,440 years later so I found that fairly 1720 01:20:38,450 --> 01:20:36,600 significant was it that's exactly what 1721 01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:38,460 they're putting out now about the remote 1722 01:20:43,790 --> 01:20:41,040 viewing and how important it was and the 1723 01:20:45,050 --> 01:20:43,800 PSI component uh at one point they even 1724 01:20:45,890 --> 01:20:45,060 talk about 1725 01:20:49,850 --> 01:20:45,900 um 1726 01:20:51,950 --> 01:20:49,860 talking to experiencers and I've got a 1727 01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:51,960 book coming out called the the UFO Sky 1728 01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:54,000 Pilots where I've got three dozen people 1729 01:20:57,229 --> 01:20:55,440 who have flown the craft and what 1730 01:20:58,910 --> 01:20:57,239 they've said and how how it's done and 1731 01:21:00,830 --> 01:20:58,920 they're all saying the same thing but 1732 01:21:02,510 --> 01:21:00,840 what a lot of these people also describe 1733 01:21:04,130 --> 01:21:02,520 is the fact that when you see the craft 1734 01:21:06,110 --> 01:21:04,140 you go up to the crafting as twice it's 1735 01:21:07,610 --> 01:21:06,120 30 feet across and you go inside and 1736 01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:07,620 it's the size of a football stadium on 1737 01:21:10,610 --> 01:21:08,880 the inside and then they look outside 1738 01:21:12,110 --> 01:21:10,620 again it's 30 feet across they look 1739 01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:12,120 inside and Hell put off actually 1740 01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:14,400 mentioned that and in this document they 1741 01:21:19,729 --> 01:21:16,320 actually talk about this uh they they 1742 01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:19,739 talk about this The Edge got bigger or 1743 01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:22,320 she got smaller the same thing this idea 1744 01:21:25,610 --> 01:21:24,239 that when you go inside the UFO craft 1745 01:21:27,890 --> 01:21:25,620 they can make it as big as they want 1746 01:21:30,110 --> 01:21:27,900 inside the craft and they have this this 1747 01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:30,120 side component that it's all made out of 1748 01:21:34,130 --> 01:21:31,679 Consciousness and they're able to change 1749 01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:34,140 things instantly so you have hell coming 1750 01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:35,760 in and giving this this briefing I 1751 01:21:38,930 --> 01:21:37,440 remember when when I first got the notes 1752 01:21:41,149 --> 01:21:38,940 the first time I showed the notes was 1753 01:21:43,070 --> 01:21:41,159 that this Eureka Springs so I I put this 1754 01:21:45,470 --> 01:21:43,080 top secret thing and then I quickly put 1755 01:21:46,970 --> 01:21:45,480 the 20 names on a slide which lasted for 1756 01:21:49,130 --> 01:21:46,980 about a second and a half and it just 1757 01:21:52,010 --> 01:21:49,140 went like by and then uh after the 1758 01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:52,020 meeting uh you remember Tim good from 1759 01:21:57,530 --> 01:21:54,239 Great Britain so the biggest UFO book of 1760 01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:57,540 all times he says Grant he says uh I saw 1761 01:22:00,770 --> 01:21:59,280 those names on the slide he said do you 1762 01:22:01,910 --> 01:22:00,780 think I could get the names I said yeah 1763 01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:01,920 I'll give you the name so I gave them 1764 01:22:05,870 --> 01:22:04,320 all the names except for Oak Shannon I 1765 01:22:08,030 --> 01:22:05,880 gave them all the names and then I got 1766 01:22:10,370 --> 01:22:08,040 an email from from Hell put off and help 1767 01:22:13,250 --> 01:22:10,380 put off is very short he doesn't really 1768 01:22:15,229 --> 01:22:13,260 uh email people I got an email from Hell 1769 01:22:17,450 --> 01:22:15,239 put off he said oh I understand you've 1770 01:22:19,130 --> 01:22:17,460 got a list a list of names of a group 1771 01:22:20,810 --> 01:22:19,140 that I supposedly was part of and as 1772 01:22:22,490 --> 01:22:20,820 said yes I do and he said could I have 1773 01:22:23,450 --> 01:22:22,500 the names and I said yeah sure so I gave 1774 01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:23,460 him the names I never heard anything 1775 01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:25,320 more but uh 1776 01:22:28,910 --> 01:22:27,360 hell was a part that's the thing a lot 1777 01:22:31,070 --> 01:22:28,920 of these these guys were part John 1778 01:22:32,810 --> 01:22:31,080 Alexander helped put off it's the same 1779 01:22:35,810 --> 01:22:32,820 sort of crowd that Cycles in and out of 1780 01:22:38,030 --> 01:22:35,820 these groups now this is uh if there's 1781 01:22:39,530 --> 01:22:38,040 any question about the subject of this 1782 01:22:42,050 --> 01:22:39,540 meeting 1783 01:22:44,810 --> 01:22:42,060 let's go to this page right here and I 1784 01:22:47,209 --> 01:22:44,820 just uh this is just interesting a bunch 1785 01:22:49,850 --> 01:22:47,219 of we're talking about Lockheed Martin 1786 01:22:52,430 --> 01:22:49,860 McDonald uh Douglas 1787 01:22:55,250 --> 01:22:52,440 um a three letter agencies the 1788 01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:55,260 Department of Defense uh physicist right 1789 01:23:01,070 --> 01:22:59,280 and here it is check out this page they 1790 01:23:04,729 --> 01:23:01,080 discussed these are the bullet points 1791 01:23:08,990 --> 01:23:04,739 biblical UFO history the San Francisco 1792 01:23:11,450 --> 01:23:09,000 flap of 1897 and you could there's 1793 01:23:14,090 --> 01:23:11,460 there's notes off to the side here these 1794 01:23:17,209 --> 01:23:14,100 are hoax notes right uh what's that yeah 1795 01:23:19,610 --> 01:23:17,219 these are these are uh Jack's notes 1947 1796 01:23:22,130 --> 01:23:19,620 Kenneth Arnold uh Air Force 1797 01:23:24,110 --> 01:23:22,140 investigations initiated right 1947 1798 01:23:27,290 --> 01:23:24,120 Project Blue Book 1799 01:23:30,050 --> 01:23:27,300 um uh 10 000 reports 600 unexplained as 1800 01:23:33,950 --> 01:23:30,060 of 1965. remember everybody this meeting 1801 01:23:36,290 --> 01:23:33,960 took place in 1985. think about that uh 1802 01:23:38,689 --> 01:23:36,300 for historical context because they talk 1803 01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,699 about the content investigation they 1804 01:23:43,790 --> 01:23:40,800 talk about the Congress National hearing 1805 01:23:46,490 --> 01:23:43,800 that happened after Condon which was 1806 01:23:50,990 --> 01:23:46,500 back in the 60s late 60s and current 1807 01:23:53,689 --> 01:23:51,000 sightings rank of 10 to 100 per week and 1808 01:23:57,229 --> 01:23:53,699 then classic and typical sightings now 1809 01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:57,239 they discuss Socorro 1964. Michigan 1810 01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:00,480 Gerald Ford right uh 1966 which 1811 01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:06,560 initiated Condon and the uh the last uh 1812 01:24:10,850 --> 01:24:09,120 it wasn't the last because we just had 1813 01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:10,860 hearings but the hearings had happened 1814 01:24:19,490 --> 01:24:15,540 in the late 1960s Washington in 1952 uh 1815 01:24:23,330 --> 01:24:19,500 over the capital uh The Mantel Lubbock 1816 01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:23,340 lights Guild and then a taipu diverges 1817 01:24:31,610 --> 01:24:28,560 and Via boas are all part of their uh 1818 01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:31,620 conversation that day classified history 1819 01:24:38,570 --> 01:24:34,560 overhead correlations 1820 01:24:39,729 --> 01:24:38,580 um uh comment from a ship okay uh 1821 01:24:42,410 --> 01:24:39,739 [Music] 1822 01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:42,420 five base locations and we're going to 1823 01:24:47,689 --> 01:24:44,880 circle back to that too as well yeah 1824 01:24:49,850 --> 01:24:47,699 they named them yeah they name them uh 1825 01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:49,860 correlation with unclassified literature 1826 01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:51,960 and expectations and data consistent 1827 01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:55,199 let's go back to the five base locations 1828 01:24:58,970 --> 01:24:56,400 Grant 1829 01:25:02,810 --> 01:24:58,980 um this is pretty extraordinary and it's 1830 01:25:07,130 --> 01:25:02,820 certainly for 1985 and this is a top 1831 01:25:09,709 --> 01:25:07,140 secret meeting about uh uh UFO and ET 1832 01:25:11,870 --> 01:25:09,719 technology uh what's up with these five 1833 01:25:13,490 --> 01:25:11,880 base locations well the one thing I 1834 01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:13,500 noticed on that is at the top of the 1835 01:25:17,149 --> 01:25:15,420 page if you look at the Oak Shannon 1836 01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:17,159 notes it's Ed Dames his name is there 1837 01:25:20,930 --> 01:25:19,440 and that may have been what it may have 1838 01:25:22,729 --> 01:25:20,940 been a brief and it was given by Ed 1839 01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:22,739 Dames that Ed Dames was putting this so 1840 01:25:28,130 --> 01:25:25,199 it came to this mountain the haze is it 1841 01:25:30,910 --> 01:25:28,140 the haze mountain in uh Alaska uh 1842 01:25:33,229 --> 01:25:30,920 paradito in Spain 1843 01:25:35,570 --> 01:25:33,239 those are the two that I remember in 1844 01:25:37,490 --> 01:25:35,580 these but they do name these these uh 1845 01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:37,500 names but they don't say they're UFO 1846 01:25:41,209 --> 01:25:39,360 bases but everybody in the UFO community 1847 01:25:43,130 --> 01:25:41,219 he knows that's that's what these things 1848 01:25:46,010 --> 01:25:43,140 were this is the rumor that they had the 1849 01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:46,020 alien bases there so uh it's brought up 1850 01:25:50,090 --> 01:25:47,760 in this meeting now whether they take it 1851 01:25:52,370 --> 01:25:50,100 seriously or not I'm I'm really not too 1852 01:25:54,830 --> 01:25:52,380 sure I mean I I just note that Ed Dame's 1853 01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:54,840 name is on the top of that that page and 1854 01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:57,360 then we we come to this page uh where 1855 01:26:01,970 --> 01:25:59,280 they discuss security 1856 01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:01,980 um and inside of the UFO Community we 1857 01:26:09,770 --> 01:26:05,040 have talked about compartmentalized uh 1858 01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:09,780 segments of of of all uh security and 1859 01:26:13,970 --> 01:26:11,760 Military departments in in the United 1860 01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:13,980 States government uh that everything is 1861 01:26:18,050 --> 01:26:15,600 compartmentalized on a need to know 1862 01:26:19,790 --> 01:26:18,060 basis and you know what you know is not 1863 01:26:22,729 --> 01:26:19,800 what the person next to you knows and 1864 01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:22,739 what they know you don't know right and 1865 01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:24,480 that's called compartmentalize it's 1866 01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:26,159 segmented 1867 01:26:30,290 --> 01:26:28,560 um it's like separated by rooms and 1868 01:26:33,410 --> 01:26:30,300 drawers but I'm talking about the human 1869 01:26:35,090 --> 01:26:33,420 brain can I make a comment because I I 1870 01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:35,100 think that was one of the things that I 1871 01:26:39,050 --> 01:26:36,960 noticed from the notes was like the Ed 1872 01:26:40,490 --> 01:26:39,060 names didn't seem to be part of the 1873 01:26:43,070 --> 01:26:40,500 meeting it's almost like they brought 1874 01:26:44,930 --> 01:26:43,080 him in for one day to give a a briefing 1875 01:26:46,610 --> 01:26:44,940 so he would be on a need to know he 1876 01:26:47,689 --> 01:26:46,620 would come in for the one day he would 1877 01:26:49,310 --> 01:26:47,699 just give his thing he doesn't know what 1878 01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:49,320 these guys are doing he gives his 1879 01:26:51,890 --> 01:26:50,880 briefing and then he leaves and he 1880 01:26:54,050 --> 01:26:51,900 doesn't even know these guys are working 1881 01:26:56,030 --> 01:26:54,060 on top secret UFO material he just is 1882 01:26:59,629 --> 01:26:56,040 told to give his briefing and leave 1883 01:27:01,790 --> 01:26:59,639 that's it that's called uh compartmented 1884 01:27:03,050 --> 01:27:01,800 um and so they want to develop a 1885 01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:03,060 security 1886 01:27:09,169 --> 01:27:07,440 uh situation uh with the UFO subject in 1887 01:27:10,430 --> 01:27:09,179 general and dealing with the public and 1888 01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:10,440 they say it's well it should be 1889 01:27:17,050 --> 01:27:13,920 compartmented should include all Source 1890 01:27:19,310 --> 01:27:17,060 data should handle unclassified 1891 01:27:21,370 --> 01:27:19,320 interactions very interesting comment 1892 01:27:27,970 --> 01:27:21,380 and then it's this last bullet point 1893 01:27:27,980 --> 01:27:33,490 that's good that was a good that's good 1894 01:27:40,189 --> 01:27:37,129 and uh now I wanna I'm gonna jump down 1895 01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:40,199 to uh the the possible goals page and 1896 01:27:46,129 --> 01:27:42,480 then we'll get over to Oak Shannon's 1897 01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:46,139 notes um uh here after the break but uh 1898 01:27:53,330 --> 01:27:50,639 this is where I mean to me uh I always 1899 01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:53,340 picture people sitting around in a dark 1900 01:27:58,669 --> 01:27:56,400 room yeah you know discussing you know 1901 01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:58,679 the crazy stuff well here you go 1902 01:28:03,950 --> 01:28:01,199 possible goals 1903 01:28:05,950 --> 01:28:03,960 create a peaceful Earth 1904 01:28:09,530 --> 01:28:05,960 prevent War 1905 01:28:12,770 --> 01:28:09,540 preserve societal history establish 1906 01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:12,780 communication right with ET obtain 1907 01:28:21,050 --> 01:28:16,560 assistance establish existence break 1908 01:28:24,050 --> 01:28:21,060 through to 22nd century science 1909 01:28:27,950 --> 01:28:24,060 and then here we go obtain technology 1910 01:28:31,870 --> 01:28:27,960 spin-offs non-lethal weapons biological 1911 01:28:34,450 --> 01:28:31,880 controls of processes new materials 1912 01:28:38,510 --> 01:28:34,460 architecture 1913 01:28:41,870 --> 01:28:38,520 agricultural productivity jump wide band 1914 01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:41,880 stealth and then the three big points 1915 01:28:45,649 --> 01:28:44,159 here develop a gravity interaction 1916 01:28:49,610 --> 01:28:45,659 system 1917 01:28:51,709 --> 01:28:49,620 discover high-tech reliable paranormal 1918 01:28:53,330 --> 01:28:51,719 performance 1919 01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:53,340 and then 1920 01:28:59,570 --> 01:28:56,880 Perry the Soviet threat 1921 01:29:02,450 --> 01:28:59,580 now what goes through your mind here 1922 01:29:04,669 --> 01:29:02,460 the absence of the alien threat which I 1923 01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:04,679 noticed in the notes there's no there's 1924 01:29:09,050 --> 01:29:06,719 a Potential Threat they're shutting down 1925 01:29:11,090 --> 01:29:09,060 there's no discussion in that I know in 1926 01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:11,100 the oak Shannon notes of shutting down 1927 01:29:16,189 --> 01:29:13,199 nuclear missiles it says shutting down 1928 01:29:18,410 --> 01:29:16,199 guns some some reference to guns it's 1929 01:29:20,570 --> 01:29:18,420 shutting down guns but what you see here 1930 01:29:22,610 --> 01:29:20,580 is almost like a scientific thing you 1931 01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:22,620 have John Alexander's non-lethal weapons 1932 01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:25,199 which was big on the new materials is 1933 01:29:28,490 --> 01:29:27,360 the pieces you know trying to get what 1934 01:29:30,169 --> 01:29:28,500 they're doing now with the with the 1935 01:29:32,930 --> 01:29:30,179 pieces to back engineer that to get 1936 01:29:35,209 --> 01:29:32,940 processes but I see the lack of the the 1937 01:29:37,129 --> 01:29:35,219 the threat of the alien thing that this 1938 01:29:39,229 --> 01:29:37,139 is a national security threat you really 1939 01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,239 don't see that in any of these documents 1940 01:29:42,830 --> 01:29:41,280 it's more the fact that we can get 1941 01:29:45,709 --> 01:29:42,840 technological spin-offs and we can 1942 01:29:47,450 --> 01:29:45,719 increase the the productivity and the 1943 01:29:48,770 --> 01:29:47,460 the peace in the world and all this kind 1944 01:29:50,450 --> 01:29:48,780 of stuff it's a different sort of spin 1945 01:29:52,189 --> 01:29:50,460 than what they're putting on it now and 1946 01:29:54,770 --> 01:29:52,199 yet John I think at one point did say 1947 01:29:56,209 --> 01:29:54,780 that they used the threat thing in 1985 1948 01:29:58,430 --> 01:29:56,219 because you need that to sell the 1949 01:30:01,490 --> 01:29:58,440 program unless there's a threat unless 1950 01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:01,500 there's a need and no nobody cares you 1951 01:30:04,910 --> 01:30:02,880 got to scale the living daylight side of 1952 01:30:06,830 --> 01:30:04,920 Herbie but I noticed the lack of that in 1953 01:30:08,810 --> 01:30:06,840 these documents they really don't talk 1954 01:30:10,970 --> 01:30:08,820 about reptilians and they're going to 1955 01:30:12,830 --> 01:30:10,980 eat us and uh all the stuff that you 1956 01:30:14,030 --> 01:30:12,840 hear now and it's a Potential Threat and 1957 01:30:16,189 --> 01:30:14,040 we've got to deal with that National 1958 01:30:19,129 --> 01:30:16,199 Security you don't see that in the in 1959 01:30:21,890 --> 01:30:19,139 these in these documents yeah and you 1960 01:30:23,689 --> 01:30:21,900 know create a peaceful earth right and 1961 01:30:27,970 --> 01:30:23,699 then we have advantage to the United 1962 01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:27,980 States uh maximum payoff to mankind 1963 01:30:36,229 --> 01:30:32,880 early a successful Milestone and minimum 1964 01:30:38,810 --> 01:30:36,239 risk of disastrous failure 1965 01:30:41,450 --> 01:30:38,820 just interesting for something that's 1966 01:30:44,090 --> 01:30:41,460 supposed to be about physics right uh 1967 01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:44,100 this this uh two-day meeting was 1968 01:30:50,209 --> 01:30:48,000 certainly centered on E.T contact uh 1969 01:30:52,250 --> 01:30:50,219 research and development uh the 1970 01:30:55,870 --> 01:30:52,260 weaponization of that technology 1971 01:30:59,930 --> 01:30:55,880 bringing the technology into the uh into 1972 01:31:03,290 --> 01:30:59,940 uh manufacturing uh uh for the masses 1973 01:31:04,669 --> 01:31:03,300 very very interesting and direct just 1974 01:31:06,830 --> 01:31:04,679 the last thing before you go to the 1975 01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:06,840 break is is is something that's always 1976 01:31:11,870 --> 01:31:08,639 puzzled me we've always seen these notes 1977 01:31:14,030 --> 01:31:11,880 for 85 like house notes and and uh 1978 01:31:16,010 --> 01:31:14,040 Shannon's notes agree but John if you 1979 01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:16,020 hear John lecture he describes the fact 1980 01:31:20,930 --> 01:31:19,920 that it went on from 84 to 89 and I 1981 01:31:22,430 --> 01:31:20,940 don't really know what they were doing 1982 01:31:24,890 --> 01:31:22,440 in that period of time I only know about 1983 01:31:26,570 --> 01:31:24,900 this 85 thing but John seems to indicate 1984 01:31:28,430 --> 01:31:26,580 it went on for a lot longer than just 1985 01:31:31,970 --> 01:31:28,440 these couple of days that that these 1986 01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:31,980 meetings took place yeah and so uh man I 1987 01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:33,600 got to get to a break so here's the 1988 01:31:40,870 --> 01:31:36,960 teaser before the break uh they went 1989 01:31:43,790 --> 01:31:40,880 from create a peaceful Earth to this 1990 01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:43,800 consolidate existing data to establish 1991 01:31:51,950 --> 01:31:47,840 threat UFO database classified database 1992 01:31:53,990 --> 01:31:51,960 abduction database collect new data 1993 01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:54,000 install sensors over flights Define 1994 01:32:00,110 --> 01:31:57,840 several credible scenarios that's a very 1995 01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:00,120 interesting line right there develop new 1996 01:32:09,709 --> 01:32:04,320 physics theory obtain direct contact 1997 01:32:13,370 --> 01:32:09,719 holy crap right physical and the PSI 1998 01:32:14,870 --> 01:32:13,380 reference is is is right there very 1999 01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:14,880 interesting let's take our break our 2000 01:32:22,010 --> 01:32:17,760 guest tonight the one and only Grant 2001 01:32:24,590 --> 01:32:22,020 Cameron who has once again by himself at 2002 01:32:25,970 --> 01:32:24,600 the center of bombshell week here on 2003 01:32:27,950 --> 01:32:25,980 Fade to Black we'll be right back after 2004 01:32:29,689 --> 01:32:27,960 this short break everybody stay right 2005 01:32:31,850 --> 01:32:29,699 there this is Fade to 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01:39:12,960 Wilson Davis documents and uh uh that uh 2135 01:39:18,590 --> 01:39:14,580 Grant Cameron found himself at the 2136 01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:18,600 center of a few years ago and the UFO 2137 01:39:26,209 --> 01:39:21,600 Community uh has since then taken charge 2138 01:39:28,010 --> 01:39:26,219 uh with this independent of what what's 2139 01:39:31,729 --> 01:39:28,020 going on in the Department of Defense 2140 01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:31,739 and Capitol Hill the community is is is 2141 01:39:38,330 --> 01:39:34,320 getting it done independent of anything 2142 01:39:41,930 --> 01:39:38,340 else and this is this is a huge week and 2143 01:39:45,709 --> 01:39:41,940 and hats off uh uh to everybody involved 2144 01:39:48,169 --> 01:39:45,719 and uh Melinda Leslie who is is just 2145 01:39:50,209 --> 01:39:48,179 absolutely wonderful when whenever I 2146 01:39:52,430 --> 01:39:50,219 hang out with Melinda and she's I know 2147 01:39:54,169 --> 01:39:52,440 she's listening right now and she looks 2148 01:39:56,750 --> 01:39:54,179 at you and starts to make a point and 2149 01:39:58,330 --> 01:39:56,760 you're going eyeball to eyeball you take 2150 01:40:03,110 --> 01:39:58,340 her serious 2151 01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:03,120 you take Melinda serious and uh and and 2152 01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:06,480 I just love her to death okay so anyway 2153 01:40:10,910 --> 01:40:08,400 um uh in a minute here we're gonna get 2154 01:40:13,610 --> 01:40:10,920 to uh the oak Shanna notes uh I wanted 2155 01:40:15,410 --> 01:40:13,620 to go through these notes uh first 2156 01:40:18,290 --> 01:40:15,420 because they correlate and they 2157 01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:18,300 cross-reference uh back and forth oh 2158 01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:20,639 Melinda just called me Melinda I'm on 2159 01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:22,639 the air 2160 01:40:28,310 --> 01:40:24,719 it just popped up 2161 01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:28,320 done Miss missed call oh look should I 2162 01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:31,679 call her there you go hold on hold on 2163 01:40:36,169 --> 01:40:33,679 hold on 2164 01:40:38,810 --> 01:40:36,179 I just uh did you just hear my little 2165 01:40:41,450 --> 01:40:38,820 message Melinda I'm live on the air with 2166 01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:41,460 Grant Cameron what you got to say 2167 01:40:45,229 --> 01:40:43,199 you know I'm in the middle of the show 2168 01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:45,239 and we're talking about you can you stay 2169 01:40:50,149 --> 01:40:47,840 out of the action for just a few minutes 2170 01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:50,159 I just sent you a funny message that's 2171 01:40:53,689 --> 01:40:51,840 all are we on the air right now we are 2172 01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:53,699 on the air right now you are like say hi 2173 01:40:58,970 --> 01:40:56,880 to everybody there you go Melinda I'll 2174 01:41:03,050 --> 01:40:58,980 call you after the show Good job 2175 01:41:07,490 --> 01:41:05,270 why not there's only one Melinda Leslie 2176 01:41:09,290 --> 01:41:07,500 there's only one she's the best 2177 01:41:11,330 --> 01:41:09,300 um can I make a comment let me make I 2178 01:41:13,610 --> 01:41:11,340 can I make a comment I during the break 2179 01:41:15,470 --> 01:41:13,620 uh Nicole package my assistant sent me 2180 01:41:17,209 --> 01:41:15,480 the actual reference from Jacque 2181 01:41:19,610 --> 01:41:17,219 Valley's book I think it's actually very 2182 01:41:21,110 --> 01:41:19,620 interesting to read to describe what 2183 01:41:24,050 --> 01:41:21,120 happened here 2184 01:41:26,330 --> 01:41:24,060 um and I knew this before uh it used it 2185 01:41:27,709 --> 01:41:26,340 was called the secret onion project I 2186 01:41:30,350 --> 01:41:27,719 don't know if you know that that's right 2187 01:41:32,450 --> 01:41:30,360 that's right yeah so so Hal this is Jack 2188 01:41:34,490 --> 01:41:32,460 ballet talking hell tells me that the 2189 01:41:38,030 --> 01:41:34,500 secret onion project is dead this is 2190 01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:38,040 November the 28th of 1986. tells me that 2191 01:41:43,129 --> 01:41:40,560 the secret onion project is dead after 2192 01:41:45,050 --> 01:41:43,139 all those high level meetings someone 2193 01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:45,060 who was higher up through a monkey 2194 01:41:51,169 --> 01:41:48,480 wrench into the gears I believe we they 2195 01:41:52,250 --> 01:41:51,179 became visible prematurely and that's 2196 01:41:54,530 --> 01:41:52,260 what I was talking about before it was 2197 01:41:57,410 --> 01:41:54,540 leaking already and they blamed Jack 2198 01:42:00,050 --> 01:41:57,420 Hoke for it the episode with Jack Hoke 2199 01:42:02,990 --> 01:42:00,060 was demonstrated that they are incapable 2200 01:42:05,090 --> 01:42:03,000 of maintaining confidentiality and how 2201 01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:05,100 Hope was telling various people about 2202 01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:06,719 the fact that this meeting was going on 2203 01:42:10,850 --> 01:42:09,600 and because it became exposed it's the 2204 01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:10,860 same story that you hear with Danny 2205 01:42:15,770 --> 01:42:13,440 Sheen and and with dual Elizondo is that 2206 01:42:17,090 --> 01:42:15,780 the higher ups throw the monkey wrench 2207 01:42:18,890 --> 01:42:17,100 in there to shut the thing down they 2208 01:42:20,030 --> 01:42:18,900 hear this Project's going on and that's 2209 01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:20,040 why they wanted to keep it so 2210 01:42:24,350 --> 01:42:22,080 confidential but protect them ourselves 2211 01:42:26,030 --> 01:42:24,360 not only from the public but from the 2212 01:42:27,709 --> 01:42:26,040 higher ups who are going to shut the 2213 01:42:28,970 --> 01:42:27,719 program down and that's what this seemed 2214 01:42:32,930 --> 01:42:28,980 to describe that they shut the program 2215 01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:32,940 down yeah and and Jack houck's notes uh 2216 01:42:38,330 --> 01:42:35,520 back to your point let me bring this up 2217 01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:38,340 he says selection criteria a good plan 2218 01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:41,280 will satisfy Prime gold and several 2219 01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:45,920 others maximize success probability have 2220 01:42:51,229 --> 01:42:50,159 airtight security right right yeah you 2221 01:42:52,490 --> 01:42:51,239 always hear this story I don't know if 2222 01:42:54,410 --> 01:42:52,500 it's true but there's always a story 2223 01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:54,420 that they spend well Richard Dodie's 2224 01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:56,400 listening he may be able to comment but 2225 01:42:59,930 --> 01:42:58,320 they spend more money on security than 2226 01:43:01,310 --> 01:42:59,940 they do on the program that's one of the 2227 01:43:04,430 --> 01:43:01,320 stories that I hear 2228 01:43:07,310 --> 01:43:04,440 and uh now uh I just want to get uh to 2229 01:43:10,370 --> 01:43:07,320 this uh really quick 2230 01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:10,380 um this is evaluation procedure uh 2231 01:43:15,410 --> 01:43:13,199 evaluation data and uh let's scroll 2232 01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:15,420 through this really quick uh because 2233 01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:18,480 it's ranked over here it says Rank and 2234 01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:21,600 then 135. number one detector deployment 2235 01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:24,960 uh to detect these craft that's the 2236 01:43:31,729 --> 01:43:27,840 number one priority over flights is the 2237 01:43:35,810 --> 01:43:31,739 number three priority UFO database is 2238 01:43:40,250 --> 01:43:35,820 number five number four classified data 2239 01:43:45,649 --> 01:43:40,260 is listed as number four as a procedure 2240 01:43:50,030 --> 01:43:45,659 um abductee data very interesting uh and 2241 01:43:52,189 --> 01:43:50,040 that's listed as number eight uh uh uh 2242 01:43:54,669 --> 01:43:52,199 let me let me go down here there it is 2243 01:43:57,550 --> 01:43:54,679 number two 2244 01:43:59,870 --> 01:43:57,560 Psy contact 2245 01:44:01,430 --> 01:43:59,880 and that's what you see that's what you 2246 01:44:03,470 --> 01:44:01,440 see is the importance because you have 2247 01:44:05,209 --> 01:44:03,480 you have help put off who is remote 2248 01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:05,219 viewing you have John Alexander who is 2249 01:44:10,910 --> 01:44:08,400 doing the the the the programs with the 2250 01:44:13,250 --> 01:44:10,920 goat and all that kind of stuff and you 2251 01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:13,260 have uh a Hulk and all these guys who 2252 01:44:17,090 --> 01:44:15,360 are bending spoons and stuff and in the 2253 01:44:19,070 --> 01:44:17,100 sh in the Shannon notes they describe 2254 01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:19,080 the fact that the Russians are ahead of 2255 01:44:24,370 --> 01:44:21,840 us in the side thing and the the is that 2256 01:44:26,629 --> 01:44:24,380 the Israelis are telling us that the the 2257 01:44:28,729 --> 01:44:26,639 Russians are ahead of us but the 2258 01:44:30,290 --> 01:44:28,739 Israelis are ahead of the Russians and 2259 01:44:32,330 --> 01:44:30,300 it's this whole thing about side this 2260 01:44:34,430 --> 01:44:32,340 this race to get the PSI component to 2261 01:44:37,010 --> 01:44:34,440 this whole thing and so now we have 2262 01:44:41,930 --> 01:44:37,020 proposed scope and then uh column one 2263 01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:41,940 task and good result on this side deploy 2264 01:44:48,770 --> 01:44:45,119 detectors and monitor uh number two 2265 01:44:54,470 --> 01:44:48,780 overfly tight correlation with 2266 01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:54,480 um uh other observables observables 2267 01:45:01,850 --> 01:44:57,360 um uh assess classified data scope and 2268 01:45:05,090 --> 01:45:01,860 quality number four go for PSI remote 2269 01:45:09,109 --> 01:45:05,100 viewing contact 2270 01:45:10,729 --> 01:45:09,119 man absolutely crazy so 2271 01:45:13,129 --> 01:45:10,739 um and then next is the breakdown of the 2272 01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:13,139 schedule and the program plan and then 2273 01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:15,600 I'm gonna this is interesting and 2274 01:45:20,030 --> 01:45:17,520 everybody can go look at the documents 2275 01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:20,040 uh yourself and it's out there on the 2276 01:45:25,070 --> 01:45:23,280 net but uh this is what Grant referred 2277 01:45:28,250 --> 01:45:25,080 to at the beginning of the program is we 2278 01:45:29,750 --> 01:45:28,260 have a cost breakdown of this uh Grant 2279 01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:29,760 take us through this 2280 01:45:34,310 --> 01:45:32,400 yeah well this is the the deployment 2281 01:45:36,109 --> 01:45:34,320 that that you had that as number one so 2282 01:45:38,209 --> 01:45:36,119 that's the major and that's what they're 2283 01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:38,219 doing again with with what's going on 2284 01:45:41,390 --> 01:45:39,840 now with the Nimitz that's why Nimitz 2285 01:45:44,030 --> 01:45:41,400 was so important because you had not 2286 01:45:45,890 --> 01:45:44,040 only uh observables or Pilots but you 2287 01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:45,900 had all this equipment picking it up so 2288 01:45:49,729 --> 01:45:47,760 this is the idea of you know in order to 2289 01:45:53,090 --> 01:45:49,739 sell it scientifically you need 2290 01:45:56,330 --> 01:45:53,100 measurement so you need uh non uh 2291 01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:56,340 subjective elements that detect it and 2292 01:45:59,149 --> 01:45:57,600 and measure it and stuff like that 2293 01:46:01,370 --> 01:45:59,159 that's what they're mainly doing because 2294 01:46:02,930 --> 01:46:01,380 in order to sell it you'll need this 2295 01:46:05,209 --> 01:46:02,940 data to prove that it's not just people 2296 01:46:07,430 --> 01:46:05,219 imagining things that you actually have 2297 01:46:09,229 --> 01:46:07,440 radar and you have all these other 2298 01:46:11,209 --> 01:46:09,239 different components so that was the 2299 01:46:13,609 --> 01:46:11,219 major thing that they want 2300 01:46:15,890 --> 01:46:13,619 um the classified stuff I'm not truly 2301 01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:15,900 too sure the the high-tech stuff again 2302 01:46:19,729 --> 01:46:17,760 it was this idea that they wanted to 2303 01:46:22,430 --> 01:46:19,739 Monitor and it comes down to this whole 2304 01:46:23,209 --> 01:46:22,440 idea that I got from the the 2305 01:46:28,490 --> 01:46:23,219 um 2306 01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:28,500 has described is the final conclusion 2307 01:46:32,750 --> 01:46:31,199 was yes you are foes exist exactly what 2308 01:46:34,250 --> 01:46:32,760 the government's saying now UFOs exist 2309 01:46:36,229 --> 01:46:34,260 and we haven't got the clue what's going 2310 01:46:38,090 --> 01:46:36,239 on we're still trying to do detectors 2311 01:46:39,950 --> 01:46:38,100 we're still trying to prove that UFOs 2312 01:46:42,470 --> 01:46:39,960 exist and so that's what this is all 2313 01:46:44,810 --> 01:46:42,480 about is trying to get the proof with 2314 01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:44,820 the data and and and so that they can 2315 01:46:49,550 --> 01:46:47,520 convince high-level people to give them 2316 01:46:51,950 --> 01:46:49,560 the 1.2 million dollars which I guess 2317 01:46:54,410 --> 01:46:51,960 was a lot of money at that time uh to 2318 01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:54,420 run this program to investigate UFOs but 2319 01:46:59,209 --> 01:46:57,119 you needed uh this detector equipment in 2320 01:47:01,550 --> 01:46:59,219 order to prove it scientifically because 2321 01:47:03,229 --> 01:47:01,560 the word of mouth really didn't work in 2322 01:47:04,370 --> 01:47:03,239 Blue Book where they went to Blue Book 2323 01:47:07,310 --> 01:47:04,380 they said well we've got to talk about 2324 01:47:09,229 --> 01:47:07,320 the UN un uh solved cases and stuff like 2325 01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:09,239 that we gotta we gotta try to sell this 2326 01:47:12,770 --> 01:47:11,040 thing to whoever they were trying to 2327 01:47:14,689 --> 01:47:12,780 sell it to and John talked about the 2328 01:47:15,970 --> 01:47:14,699 fact that they basically were not able 2329 01:47:20,870 --> 01:47:15,980 to sell it 2330 01:47:23,090 --> 01:47:20,880 the uh uh the documents for everybody uh 2331 01:47:25,609 --> 01:47:23,100 I'm watching this uh conversation going 2332 01:47:27,290 --> 01:47:25,619 down in in the live chat documents are 2333 01:47:29,629 --> 01:47:27,300 available all over Twitter all over 2334 01:47:31,970 --> 01:47:29,639 Facebook all over social media you can 2335 01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:31,980 go and and get the download links it's 2336 01:47:36,290 --> 01:47:34,320 been happening all day long 2337 01:47:37,790 --> 01:47:36,300 um uh the documents are now widely 2338 01:47:39,290 --> 01:47:37,800 distributed 2339 01:47:42,410 --> 01:47:39,300 um I'm not showing them for the first 2340 01:47:44,810 --> 01:47:42,420 time uh they have been uh out there all 2341 01:47:48,410 --> 01:47:44,820 day long and uh everybody is talking 2342 01:47:51,229 --> 01:47:48,420 about about their specific points and 2343 01:47:53,930 --> 01:47:51,239 and what they find interesting 2344 01:47:56,930 --> 01:47:53,940 um now when we get to 2345 01:48:00,169 --> 01:47:56,940 um I'm bringing this up here I also have 2346 01:48:03,229 --> 01:48:00,179 uh this is Oak Shannon's notes 2347 01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:03,239 um uh I I'm gonna pull them up 2348 01:48:08,689 --> 01:48:05,040 separately here so I can look at them 2349 01:48:12,109 --> 01:48:08,699 blown up and so I can see uh what the 2350 01:48:15,770 --> 01:48:12,119 heck I'm looking at so let me pull these 2351 01:48:21,530 --> 01:48:15,780 up this is uh page two 2352 01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:21,540 or no page three page four okay this is 2353 01:48:26,810 --> 01:48:23,760 the review of how put offs uh 2354 01:48:28,430 --> 01:48:26,820 presentation and uh we've been talking 2355 01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:28,440 about this already but let's go through 2356 01:48:36,050 --> 01:48:31,440 this because uh there's a comment in 2357 01:48:42,290 --> 01:48:36,060 here which is uh uh right under number 2358 01:48:46,250 --> 01:48:42,300 one it goes A and B uh this 150 2359 01:48:47,810 --> 01:48:46,260 000 uh magnetic field number uh let's 2360 01:48:50,950 --> 01:48:47,820 let's talk about that for a second can 2361 01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:50,960 we yeah I sent that to Jimmy Blanchette 2362 01:48:55,850 --> 01:48:53,520 to ask him whether that number means 2363 01:48:57,770 --> 01:48:55,860 anything to him uh somebody else is 2364 01:48:59,149 --> 01:48:57,780 talking about this 150 I think I'm 2365 01:49:01,729 --> 01:48:59,159 pretty sure it was Jimmy Blanchett was 2366 01:49:04,250 --> 01:49:01,739 talking about uh this number and this is 2367 01:49:05,330 --> 01:49:04,260 the the idea that you have this magnetic 2368 01:49:06,590 --> 01:49:05,340 field that you're getting measurements 2369 01:49:09,169 --> 01:49:06,600 you're getting scientific measurements 2370 01:49:10,850 --> 01:49:09,179 it's not just you know targets are you 2371 01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:10,860 close are you not close to sort of stuff 2372 01:49:15,169 --> 01:49:13,440 that they it indicated and again we got 2373 01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:15,179 to go back to the fact that this is 2374 01:49:19,250 --> 01:49:16,800 remote doing 10 years before it was 2375 01:49:20,330 --> 01:49:19,260 actually Declassified in 1985 you could 2376 01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:20,340 say to people in remote viewing they 2377 01:49:23,570 --> 01:49:21,360 wouldn't have a clue what you're talking 2378 01:49:25,250 --> 01:49:23,580 about this was sort of advanced and hell 2379 01:49:27,070 --> 01:49:25,260 is talking about I remember talking to 2380 01:49:30,050 --> 01:49:27,080 Hal about did you brief the president 2381 01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,060 and he basically indicated that up till 2382 01:49:33,890 --> 01:49:32,400 1988 when he left the program the 2383 01:49:36,410 --> 01:49:33,900 president and the vice president were 2384 01:49:38,930 --> 01:49:36,420 being briefed on on remote viewing so 2385 01:49:40,970 --> 01:49:38,940 this was going right up to the top but 2386 01:49:43,609 --> 01:49:40,980 the number surprised me because I never 2387 01:49:46,129 --> 01:49:43,619 heard really any numbers of magnetic 2388 01:49:47,450 --> 01:49:46,139 fields being associated and I know they 2389 01:49:49,430 --> 01:49:47,460 were doing that with the Laurentian 2390 01:49:52,729 --> 01:49:49,440 University they were using magnetic 2391 01:49:54,350 --> 01:49:52,739 fields to uh around people's heads and 2392 01:49:56,330 --> 01:49:54,360 they were doing this thing with the the 2393 01:49:58,609 --> 01:49:56,340 schumann's resonance and and the the 2394 01:49:59,870 --> 01:49:58,619 target was on like Ingo Swan when they 2395 01:50:01,790 --> 01:49:59,880 blocked the schumann's residence they 2396 01:50:03,590 --> 01:50:01,800 can go Swan couldn't hit a Target when 2397 01:50:05,810 --> 01:50:03,600 when they had the schumann's resonance 2398 01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:05,820 on Ingo would be on Target and stuff 2399 01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:08,400 like that so when I saw the number I was 2400 01:50:11,810 --> 01:50:09,840 kind of impressed that that they 2401 01:50:14,270 --> 01:50:11,820 actually had some sort of measurement of 2402 01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:14,280 something they did and 2403 01:50:18,770 --> 01:50:16,320 um now these are these are handwritten 2404 01:50:21,050 --> 01:50:18,780 notes everybody so uh as this 2405 01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:21,060 presentation is going on Oak Shannon is 2406 01:50:25,510 --> 01:50:23,040 writing this down 2407 01:50:29,390 --> 01:50:25,520 um so the 2408 01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:29,400 exactness of it may not be what we need 2409 01:50:35,229 --> 01:50:32,639 here but what he says is 150 2410 01:50:39,950 --> 01:50:35,239 000 and it says AML 2411 01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:39,960 AML or Ami turns magnetic field seems to 2412 01:50:45,770 --> 01:50:44,400 be associated with UFO sightings very 2413 01:50:47,870 --> 01:50:45,780 interesting and it's a very direct 2414 01:50:49,729 --> 01:50:47,880 number and then somebody else brings 2415 01:50:51,410 --> 01:50:49,739 this up I I can't remember who it is but 2416 01:50:52,910 --> 01:50:51,420 there is somebody else who's making the 2417 01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:52,920 same claim and it's getting nothing to 2418 01:50:58,250 --> 01:50:54,960 do with this it's just recently 2419 01:51:02,030 --> 01:50:58,260 okay I got you I got you I got you uh 2420 01:51:04,209 --> 01:51:02,040 the next part uh is remote viewing 2421 01:51:07,250 --> 01:51:04,219 um and again 2422 01:51:08,770 --> 01:51:07,260 we we started to talk about this I heard 2423 01:51:12,010 --> 01:51:08,780 you mentioned this earlier today 2424 01:51:16,990 --> 01:51:12,020 indication that info is subliminal flash 2425 01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:17,000 phenomenon 20 signal 80 percent noise 2426 01:51:22,490 --> 01:51:20,400 fill in from imagination uh you 2427 01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,500 mentioned this earlier can you can you 2428 01:51:27,950 --> 01:51:24,719 expand on that well this this I've 2429 01:51:29,209 --> 01:51:27,960 talked about is is my my idea like where 2430 01:51:31,550 --> 01:51:29,219 I wrote a book called 2431 01:51:34,250 --> 01:51:31,560 um contact modalities and the idea that 2432 01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:34,260 I have is similar is the idea that what 2433 01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:36,480 you're trying to do is is everybody can 2434 01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:38,880 access the field the psychic field the 2435 01:51:42,109 --> 01:51:40,320 reason you can't access the field is 2436 01:51:44,390 --> 01:51:42,119 because you're left brain the little ego 2437 01:51:46,430 --> 01:51:44,400 was talking in her head and there's got 2438 01:51:48,830 --> 01:51:46,440 all this noise and the idea of whether 2439 01:51:51,050 --> 01:51:48,840 it's hypnosis or uh whether it's 2440 01:51:52,910 --> 01:51:51,060 meditation or whether it's psychedelics 2441 01:51:54,410 --> 01:51:52,920 or whatever is to shut the left brain 2442 01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:54,420 down when you shut the left brain down 2443 01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:56,880 you show shut off the noise and that 2444 01:51:59,870 --> 01:51:58,320 that gives you the signal you can pick 2445 01:52:01,850 --> 01:51:59,880 up the signal and I remember when I made 2446 01:52:03,770 --> 01:52:01,860 that Discovery I said oh my God and I 2447 01:52:05,450 --> 01:52:03,780 went to hell put off I said hell did you 2448 01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:05,460 do this left brain right brain thing and 2449 01:52:09,290 --> 01:52:07,440 he said read chapter six of my book and 2450 01:52:11,689 --> 01:52:09,300 I will go chapter six of their book on 2451 01:52:13,129 --> 01:52:11,699 the mind on on and and it's all about 2452 01:52:17,930 --> 01:52:13,139 the right brain left brain this whole 2453 01:52:20,689 --> 01:52:17,940 idea that uh the the the the female 2454 01:52:22,669 --> 01:52:20,699 brain the the right brain is one that's 2455 01:52:24,109 --> 01:52:22,679 actually in the field and the left brain 2456 01:52:27,050 --> 01:52:24,119 is the one that's causing all the noise 2457 01:52:29,870 --> 01:52:27,060 so that's just 80 noise and the idea of 2458 01:52:31,430 --> 01:52:29,880 all these Protocols of trying to access 2459 01:52:33,229 --> 01:52:31,440 the field where there's psychic or 2460 01:52:35,629 --> 01:52:33,239 mediums or whatever it is it's the same 2461 01:52:37,129 --> 01:52:35,639 ideas trying to reduce that noise Factor 2462 01:52:38,450 --> 01:52:37,139 so you can pick up the signal everybody 2463 01:52:40,790 --> 01:52:38,460 can pick up the signal it's just the 2464 01:52:43,970 --> 01:52:40,800 noise is getting in the way this is the 2465 01:52:48,050 --> 01:52:43,980 next page uh which it it it's at the top 2466 01:52:50,570 --> 01:52:48,060 it says Wednesday review of Tuesday 2467 01:52:53,570 --> 01:52:50,580 um intro objective known evidence and 2468 01:52:56,510 --> 01:52:53,580 then it's listed uh the cases here Cash 2469 01:53:00,830 --> 01:52:56,520 Land room they have of Iran listed here 2470 01:53:02,510 --> 01:53:00,840 you know the the crazy four Phantom yep 2471 01:53:04,370 --> 01:53:02,520 but they 2472 01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:04,380 um what I thought was interesting here 2473 01:53:12,050 --> 01:53:08,880 is rendelshim uh listed uh right there 2474 01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:12,060 um and also down at the bottom uh I want 2475 01:53:18,350 --> 01:53:14,400 to go back to Woodbridge uh specifically 2476 01:53:22,129 --> 01:53:18,360 uh because at that time this wasn't uh a 2477 01:53:26,330 --> 01:53:22,139 big it wasn't what it is today in pop 2478 01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:26,340 culture this is 1985. uh you know four 2479 01:53:31,729 --> 01:53:29,760 years after uh rendelshim and here they 2480 01:53:34,189 --> 01:53:31,739 are talking about it in in very specific 2481 01:53:36,169 --> 01:53:34,199 detail well there is there is an idea 2482 01:53:38,629 --> 01:53:36,179 that there's people making claims that 2483 01:53:40,490 --> 01:53:38,639 John Alexander was involved with uh that 2484 01:53:42,890 --> 01:53:40,500 he was part of the briefings he was 2485 01:53:44,270 --> 01:53:42,900 involved with with rental ship what I 2486 01:53:46,550 --> 01:53:44,280 think is important here is what they're 2487 01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:46,560 trying to do again is they're trying not 2488 01:53:50,750 --> 01:53:49,199 to to deal with the uh UFOs don't exist 2489 01:53:52,669 --> 01:53:50,760 it's all subjective whatever they're 2490 01:53:55,310 --> 01:53:52,679 trying to find the best cases they can 2491 01:53:57,590 --> 01:53:55,320 possibly grab pull them out of all the 2492 01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:57,600 noise of all the bad cases and sell it 2493 01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:59,040 to the government so they're looking at 2494 01:54:03,709 --> 01:54:01,679 Cashland is a very concrete case the 2495 01:54:05,450 --> 01:54:03,719 Iran thing had measurements the 2496 01:54:08,090 --> 01:54:05,460 Woodbridge thing had you know ground 2497 01:54:09,590 --> 01:54:08,100 traces and and high level Witnesses and 2498 01:54:11,629 --> 01:54:09,600 stuff and then you have this thing I 2499 01:54:13,010 --> 01:54:11,639 think later on this this Neary 2500 01:54:14,810 --> 01:54:13,020 photographs where he talks about these 2501 01:54:16,370 --> 01:54:14,820 photographs that were taken and that's 2502 01:54:18,709 --> 01:54:16,380 so they're looking for this high quality 2503 01:54:22,010 --> 01:54:18,719 evidence that they they want to present 2504 01:54:27,109 --> 01:54:22,020 to uh build their case 2505 01:54:29,149 --> 01:54:27,119 um and it goes on uh Mike Neely photos 2506 01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:29,159 yeah that's discussed later on in the 2507 01:54:32,330 --> 01:54:30,480 notes I can't remember what it is but 2508 01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:32,340 they actually do that but there's an 2509 01:54:37,070 --> 01:54:34,560 important thing that comes here Bob uh 2510 01:54:38,689 --> 01:54:37,080 uh I've I've got a lot of documents that 2511 01:54:40,370 --> 01:54:38,699 I haven't released yet and I've got a 2512 01:54:42,050 --> 01:54:40,380 lot of documents I have released and one 2513 01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:42,060 of them has to do with the next one is 2514 01:54:45,410 --> 01:54:43,920 Bob Wood was there and if you you 2515 01:54:48,649 --> 01:54:45,420 probably interviewed Bob Wood and Ryan 2516 01:54:50,990 --> 01:54:48,659 wood they were at leaked 3 700 pages of 2517 01:54:52,669 --> 01:54:51,000 the new Majestic 12 documents these 2518 01:54:55,189 --> 01:54:52,679 documents are coming to them there was 2519 01:54:58,250 --> 01:54:55,199 book stuff and all this kind of stuff 2520 01:54:59,930 --> 01:54:58,260 and Bob Wood uh some of his documents 2521 01:55:02,209 --> 01:54:59,940 leaked to me and then what happened was 2522 01:55:05,410 --> 01:55:02,219 Bob Wood ran a program people may not 2523 01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:05,420 know uh McDonald Douglas ran a program 2524 01:55:11,590 --> 01:55:09,360 in 1968 on UFOs they were given a half a 2525 01:55:14,930 --> 01:55:11,600 million dollars Bob Wood ran the program 2526 01:55:17,209 --> 01:55:14,940 uh uh James Douglas I think was uh 2527 01:55:18,350 --> 01:55:17,219 interested and he said I give you a half 2528 01:55:20,209 --> 01:55:18,360 million dollars you figure out what's 2529 01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:20,219 going on and so they had this whole team 2530 01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:22,320 exactly what John Alexander was doing in 2531 01:55:28,250 --> 01:55:25,199 1985 they did with McDonald Douglas in 2532 01:55:30,590 --> 01:55:28,260 67 and they had they had you know 2533 01:55:32,689 --> 01:55:30,600 getting investigations cases and stuff 2534 01:55:34,310 --> 01:55:32,699 and they were interviewing people who 2535 01:55:35,870 --> 01:55:34,320 were abductees and what they were doing 2536 01:55:37,729 --> 01:55:35,880 is they were doing regressions of these 2537 01:55:39,169 --> 01:55:37,739 people who were abductees and they would 2538 01:55:41,330 --> 01:55:39,179 regress them and say did the aliens tell 2539 01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:41,340 you uh how the craft works and they were 2540 01:55:44,149 --> 01:55:42,239 trying to figure out how the craft 2541 01:55:45,890 --> 01:55:44,159 worked because it was the idea they said 2542 01:55:47,629 --> 01:55:45,900 either we get it or Boeing is going to 2543 01:55:49,310 --> 01:55:47,639 get it and they sold this program so 2544 01:55:51,709 --> 01:55:49,320 they did it and what happened the guy 2545 01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:51,719 that did the regressions actually had a 2546 01:55:55,609 --> 01:55:53,760 set of notes the same as Oak Shannon had 2547 01:55:57,830 --> 01:55:55,619 a set of notes and how cut a set of 2548 01:56:00,530 --> 01:55:57,840 notes he had this set of notes and he he 2549 01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:00,540 was keeping them in the barn of his of 2550 01:56:06,830 --> 01:56:04,320 his uh uh farm and he dies and then the 2551 01:56:08,750 --> 01:56:06,840 next guy that comes along buys the farm 2552 01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:08,760 and he sees these notes in the barn and 2553 01:56:12,229 --> 01:56:10,320 he goes oh my God I can get piles of 2554 01:56:16,850 --> 01:56:12,239 money he puts them on eBay and they sell 2555 01:56:20,570 --> 01:56:16,860 for 29 the bad comes to me and and and I 2556 01:56:23,810 --> 01:56:20,580 look at him and I get them a website uh 2557 01:56:26,750 --> 01:56:23,820 uh check the evidence in.com in Great 2558 01:56:28,850 --> 01:56:26,760 Britain to put the UK yes the UK and 2559 01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:28,860 they put them up and Bob Wood comes to 2560 01:56:31,550 --> 01:56:30,239 me he's absolutely Furious how do you 2561 01:56:32,689 --> 01:56:31,560 get these documents and I told him the 2562 01:56:34,850 --> 01:56:32,699 story about the guy selling on my email 2563 01:56:36,169 --> 01:56:34,860 he said oh okay so these documents 2564 01:56:37,850 --> 01:56:36,179 that's what happens people keep these 2565 01:56:39,530 --> 01:56:37,860 documents secret when they die the 2566 01:56:41,390 --> 01:56:39,540 documents sort of flowed out and people 2567 01:56:43,250 --> 01:56:41,400 like me grab onto them and this is how 2568 01:56:44,750 --> 01:56:43,260 these these these things get out because 2569 01:56:46,430 --> 01:56:44,760 there's a lot of stuff that people 2570 01:56:47,689 --> 01:56:46,440 really don't know there's a lot of UFO 2571 01:56:49,370 --> 01:56:47,699 studies that took place that nobody 2572 01:56:51,830 --> 01:56:49,380 really knows there was one I was given 2573 01:56:54,169 --> 01:56:51,840 documents of and I've talked about it a 2574 01:56:56,629 --> 01:56:54,179 bit from Lyndon Johnson I was given a 2575 01:56:58,850 --> 01:56:56,639 manuscript that was written on a book on 2576 01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:58,860 the guy that set up the UFO program for 2577 01:57:02,390 --> 01:57:00,719 Lyndon Johnson and the whole thing about 2578 01:57:04,310 --> 01:57:02,400 it who was on the program and how they 2579 01:57:06,470 --> 01:57:04,320 ran it and all this kind of stuff and it 2580 01:57:08,090 --> 01:57:06,480 came to the same conclusion as here UFOs 2581 01:57:09,649 --> 01:57:08,100 absolutely exist and we haven't got a 2582 01:57:12,530 --> 01:57:09,659 clue beyond that we have no idea what's 2583 01:57:16,669 --> 01:57:12,540 going on there's uh so Bob Wood is 2584 01:57:19,430 --> 01:57:16,679 listed here uh for presenting reports uh 2585 01:57:22,609 --> 01:57:19,440 McDonnell Douglas uh and his study that 2586 01:57:25,609 --> 01:57:22,619 you just referenced uh Don K did a 2587 01:57:28,629 --> 01:57:25,619 report uh presented a report on E.T and 2588 01:57:30,729 --> 01:57:28,639 then Hal putoff is listed here here for 2589 01:57:33,290 --> 01:57:30,739 uh 2590 01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:33,300 remote viewing and then down at the 2591 01:57:37,370 --> 01:57:34,800 bottom of the page you see an asterisk 2592 01:57:42,589 --> 01:57:37,380 it says how put off recapped his 2593 01:57:44,930 --> 01:57:42,599 presentation for Joe uh uh bridock 2594 01:57:47,089 --> 01:57:44,940 um and then we go to the next can I make 2595 01:57:48,950 --> 01:57:47,099 a comment on this go back again let me 2596 01:57:50,750 --> 01:57:48,960 make a comment on this because 2597 01:57:54,050 --> 01:57:50,760 yeah flip back to the last page because 2598 01:57:56,930 --> 01:57:54,060 I lost my train of thought here okay 2599 01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:56,940 um I looked up this Don K and who he was 2600 01:57:59,810 --> 01:57:58,080 because you take a look at the names 2601 01:58:02,689 --> 01:57:59,820 he's either there's two different guys 2602 01:58:04,070 --> 01:58:02,699 there's there's uh don Kier and the 2603 01:58:07,189 --> 01:58:04,080 thing was that was interesting to me is 2604 01:58:09,770 --> 01:58:07,199 you have a top secret meeting and guys 2605 01:58:12,830 --> 01:58:09,780 are giving briefings and this Don K guy 2606 01:58:14,330 --> 01:58:12,840 is giving a briefing on ETS and it's 2607 01:58:17,390 --> 01:58:14,340 like well what do they know about ETS 2608 01:58:21,609 --> 01:58:17,400 it's like you know this is 1985. so he's 2609 01:58:23,870 --> 01:58:21,619 either done k-e-r-r or he's uh 2610 01:58:26,330 --> 01:58:23,880 k-e-u-b-l-e-r and the one guy is 2611 01:58:29,930 --> 01:58:26,340 actually the he's still now he's now the 2612 01:58:31,910 --> 01:58:29,940 director of news and intelligence for 2613 01:58:35,270 --> 01:58:31,920 the National Geographic in in 2614 01:58:37,129 --> 01:58:35,280 international agency and I recalled Tom 2615 01:58:38,750 --> 01:58:37,139 Delong mentioning that agency that 2616 01:58:40,910 --> 01:58:38,760 that's where they were hiding the UFO 2617 01:58:44,030 --> 01:58:40,920 thing and so some of these guys were 2618 01:58:47,149 --> 01:58:44,040 high level guys uh that were deputy 2619 01:58:48,890 --> 01:58:47,159 director of uh National Intelligence the 2620 01:58:52,129 --> 01:58:48,900 these Don K guys and I don't know what 2621 01:58:53,570 --> 01:58:52,139 which guy it was but I went to back and 2622 01:58:54,830 --> 01:58:53,580 a lot of people do this in information 2623 01:58:56,629 --> 01:58:54,840 the same as they did with the Wilson 2624 01:58:58,790 --> 01:58:56,639 document where they started to look at 2625 01:59:00,830 --> 01:58:58,800 all the names there's a lot of names in 2626 01:59:02,930 --> 01:59:00,840 here that have never been put out before 2627 01:59:04,850 --> 01:59:02,940 in terms of UFO and people are going to 2628 01:59:06,890 --> 01:59:04,860 look these people up and start to put 2629 01:59:09,350 --> 01:59:06,900 the the dots together and connect the 2630 01:59:11,390 --> 01:59:09,360 dots there's a lot of new names in these 2631 01:59:12,950 --> 01:59:11,400 in these documents as to people that we 2632 01:59:14,390 --> 01:59:12,960 never knew were associated with the UFO 2633 01:59:17,570 --> 01:59:14,400 phenomena and you got to remember this 2634 01:59:21,169 --> 01:59:17,580 is happening at a top secret SCI level 2635 01:59:23,450 --> 01:59:21,179 the next page uh I want to get uh to 2636 01:59:27,050 --> 01:59:23,460 this before we get to the break uh 2637 01:59:30,470 --> 01:59:27,060 thoughts on Wednesday's process uh where 2638 01:59:32,930 --> 01:59:30,480 do we want to be action items how do we 2639 01:59:36,410 --> 01:59:32,940 proceed and then John I'm assuming 2640 01:59:41,290 --> 01:59:36,420 that's John Alexander no Source other 2641 01:59:45,169 --> 01:59:41,300 than uh personal experiences 50 believe 2642 01:59:49,370 --> 01:59:45,179 there is something begging to be studied 2643 01:59:52,729 --> 01:59:49,380 and that is from John Alexander comment 2644 01:59:54,589 --> 01:59:52,739 on that page with a John's uh statement 2645 01:59:56,810 --> 01:59:54,599 well that's what John has always 2646 01:59:58,070 --> 01:59:56,820 maintained that nobody's disputing the 2647 02:00:00,649 --> 01:59:58,080 fact that there isn't something to 2648 02:00:02,450 --> 02:00:00,659 investigate but what he's saying is that 2649 02:00:04,310 --> 02:00:02,460 when he went up to the chain of command 2650 02:00:07,129 --> 02:00:04,320 nobody was interested nobody wanted to 2651 02:00:08,510 --> 02:00:07,139 deal with it and it is it is to be 2652 02:00:10,609 --> 02:00:08,520 investigated and they really don't know 2653 02:00:11,990 --> 02:00:10,619 and that you should put it out but the 2654 02:00:13,790 --> 02:00:12,000 thing is to convince the people at the 2655 02:00:16,189 --> 02:00:13,800 top to spend the money because most 2656 02:00:17,510 --> 02:00:16,199 people are working on When Things Fall 2657 02:00:19,729 --> 02:00:17,520 Apart when the bridge falls down then 2658 02:00:22,250 --> 02:00:19,739 they do something but nobody if you go 2659 02:00:23,750 --> 02:00:22,260 and say well we should do some advanced 2660 02:00:25,010 --> 02:00:23,760 stuff to stop Bridges from falling down 2661 02:00:27,410 --> 02:00:25,020 they're really not interested because 2662 02:00:29,870 --> 02:00:27,420 they work backwards they they wait for 2663 02:00:31,310 --> 02:00:29,880 the event to happen in in Parliament and 2664 02:00:32,990 --> 02:00:31,320 before they'll do anything 2665 02:00:34,850 --> 02:00:33,000 let's take our break right here we're 2666 02:00:37,310 --> 02:00:34,860 going to continue with Oak Shannon's 2667 02:00:39,350 --> 02:00:37,320 notes this is bombshell week here on 2668 02:00:42,189 --> 02:00:39,360 Fade to Black our guest tonight Grant 2669 02:00:45,050 --> 02:00:42,199 Cameron once again Grant at the center 2670 02:00:46,490 --> 02:00:45,060 of all of it a lot of hard work going on 2671 02:00:49,189 --> 02:00:46,500 and of course I want to thank Melinda 2672 02:00:51,830 --> 02:00:49,199 Leslie as well this is Fade to 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2731 02:04:31,370 --> 02:04:29,330 Welcome Back Fade to Black I'm The 2732 02:04:34,010 --> 02:04:31,380 assuming church tonight Grant Cameron 2733 02:04:39,229 --> 02:04:34,020 it's bombshell week here on Fade to 2734 02:04:42,890 --> 02:04:40,970 something in my throat you know the only 2735 02:04:46,729 --> 02:04:42,900 thing that fixes that for me Grant 2736 02:04:49,270 --> 02:04:46,739 what's up there you go River Moon coffee 2737 02:04:52,370 --> 02:04:49,280 there you go 2738 02:04:53,990 --> 02:04:52,380 I'm good to go now yeah I'm reading 2739 02:04:55,850 --> 02:04:54,000 through these notes uh during the break 2740 02:04:59,270 --> 02:04:55,860 it's just like 2741 02:05:03,490 --> 02:04:59,280 it's the best right it's the best 2742 02:05:11,030 --> 02:05:07,729 k-e-m-b-l-e and if you go down uh 2743 02:05:13,729 --> 02:05:11,040 further into the notes which is here uh 2744 02:05:16,669 --> 02:05:13,739 this is Oak Shannon's Don Campbell page 2745 02:05:19,669 --> 02:05:16,679 yeah there it is okay and uh hypothesis 2746 02:05:20,990 --> 02:05:19,679 E.T now let's go through this is this is 2747 02:05:23,810 --> 02:05:21,000 extraordinary 2748 02:05:26,270 --> 02:05:23,820 and now to put all of this in context 2749 02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:26,280 for everybody this is a top secret 2750 02:05:32,629 --> 02:05:27,920 meeting 2751 02:05:36,530 --> 02:05:32,639 uh uh that is going down uh May 8th uh 2752 02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:36,540 and 9th 1985 uh with members of 2753 02:05:40,189 --> 02:05:38,159 different agencies the Department of 2754 02:05:43,129 --> 02:05:40,199 Defense physicists 2755 02:05:44,629 --> 02:05:43,139 um and and scientists uh all looking 2756 02:05:47,629 --> 02:05:44,639 into 2757 02:05:51,050 --> 02:05:47,639 ET contact uh crash retrieval technology 2758 02:05:54,229 --> 02:05:51,060 research and development and and what 2759 02:05:57,410 --> 02:05:54,239 should be done with all of this and this 2760 02:06:00,649 --> 02:05:57,420 is uh don Campbell's page hypothesis ET 2761 02:06:03,770 --> 02:06:00,659 and I'm going to go through a couple of 2762 02:06:07,129 --> 02:06:03,780 these points that are here 2763 02:06:11,870 --> 02:06:07,139 um it says uh given modest civil uh 2764 02:06:15,169 --> 02:06:11,880 modest number uh civilizations one will 2765 02:06:17,930 --> 02:06:15,179 colonize Galaxy 2766 02:06:20,570 --> 02:06:17,940 um very interesting point number two why 2767 02:06:23,570 --> 02:06:20,580 one okay we're gonna stop right here on 2768 02:06:28,550 --> 02:06:23,580 this point it's extraordinary one-way 2769 02:06:32,209 --> 02:06:28,560 trips most likely first step 2770 02:06:34,430 --> 02:06:32,219 what right wait wait wait wait what's 2771 02:06:36,290 --> 02:06:34,440 what's Don talking about here 2772 02:06:38,689 --> 02:06:36,300 yeah well I think that's the same as uh 2773 02:06:40,250 --> 02:06:38,699 I always make the joke about Mars where 2774 02:06:41,870 --> 02:06:40,260 people always say I'd like to go to Mars 2775 02:06:44,270 --> 02:06:41,880 I said I live in Winnipeg Manitoba 2776 02:06:46,070 --> 02:06:44,280 Canada I said I know what it's like at 2777 02:06:48,109 --> 02:06:46,080 35 below you you you're talking you've 2778 02:06:49,609 --> 02:06:48,119 never been in 35 below you get to Mars 2779 02:06:51,410 --> 02:06:49,619 the suicide rate will be like 100 2780 02:06:53,390 --> 02:06:51,420 percent it's a one-way trip because 2781 02:06:54,890 --> 02:06:53,400 you're not coming back they'd speak to a 2782 02:06:57,229 --> 02:06:54,900 billion dollars per person to get you 2783 02:06:59,149 --> 02:06:57,239 there and I think that's this idea that 2784 02:07:01,910 --> 02:06:59,159 once you leave you ain't coming back 2785 02:07:03,470 --> 02:07:01,920 you're you know even now to go to Mars 2786 02:07:06,050 --> 02:07:03,480 it's a one-way trip 2787 02:07:08,450 --> 02:07:06,060 and he says a fuel replacement and 2788 02:07:11,570 --> 02:07:08,460 destination likely number four no 2789 02:07:15,729 --> 02:07:11,580 fundamental new physics required to 2790 02:07:19,430 --> 02:07:15,739 permit Interstellar flight uh EG 2791 02:07:23,510 --> 02:07:19,440 uh that's that Friedman's big argument 2792 02:07:26,709 --> 02:07:23,520 right you don't need new physics 2793 02:07:29,810 --> 02:07:26,719 um uh uh lifetime of ET 2794 02:07:32,570 --> 02:07:29,820 multi-generation travel 2795 02:07:34,729 --> 02:07:32,580 um uh suspended animation staging 2796 02:07:38,209 --> 02:07:34,739 stations 2797 02:07:40,209 --> 02:07:38,219 um moving down here would expect active 2798 02:07:46,729 --> 02:07:40,219 signal interaction 2799 02:07:49,790 --> 02:07:46,739 to precede not proceed to precede travel 2800 02:07:52,490 --> 02:07:49,800 um so they're talking about contact with 2801 02:07:55,850 --> 02:07:52,500 ET right communication with ET before we 2802 02:07:58,629 --> 02:07:55,860 go uh Interstellar yeah she said he 2803 02:08:01,990 --> 02:07:58,639 likes Stan Stanton cilia 2804 02:08:08,390 --> 02:08:02,000 effort to investigate 2805 02:08:12,169 --> 02:08:08,400 ah man uh what is space density of 2806 02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:12,179 Technology of of uh uh technology 2807 02:08:18,530 --> 02:08:16,560 Civilization in Galaxy in numbers uh if 2808 02:08:20,930 --> 02:08:18,540 number is not small so now we're getting 2809 02:08:23,390 --> 02:08:20,940 into uh the Drake equation yeah the 2810 02:08:25,669 --> 02:08:23,400 Drake equation exactly and uh talking 2811 02:08:28,609 --> 02:08:25,679 about how many civilizations out there 2812 02:08:32,270 --> 02:08:28,619 that are technically Advanced and are 2813 02:08:36,109 --> 02:08:32,280 Interstellar and are visiting us 2814 02:08:37,669 --> 02:08:36,119 um now uh moving down uh travel 2815 02:08:42,310 --> 02:08:37,679 practical 2816 02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:42,320 uh probability is high why no contact 2817 02:08:47,770 --> 02:08:46,320 that's very interesting uh we are being 2818 02:08:51,589 --> 02:08:47,780 ignored 2819 02:08:54,050 --> 02:08:51,599 you know by by ET and we are being 2820 02:08:55,669 --> 02:08:54,060 discreetly watched 2821 02:08:59,810 --> 02:08:55,679 that's why it's part of the notes Here 2822 02:09:02,629 --> 02:08:59,820 we are being discreetly watched 2823 02:09:05,410 --> 02:09:02,639 um uh where is everybody this is back uh 2824 02:09:09,709 --> 02:09:05,420 to uh the Drake equation and of course 2825 02:09:11,450 --> 02:09:09,719 uh the Fermi Paradox and here's scroll 2826 02:09:13,250 --> 02:09:11,460 up a bit hanging you you missed one 2827 02:09:15,709 --> 02:09:13,260 piece here they they're talking about 2828 02:09:17,510 --> 02:09:15,719 this no Mass abductions not likely 2829 02:09:19,129 --> 02:09:17,520 you'll see that was one of the things I 2830 02:09:21,729 --> 02:09:19,139 brought up at the end of the Wilson 2831 02:09:24,169 --> 02:09:21,739 document it says 2832 02:09:25,550 --> 02:09:24,179 no abductions and everybody said well 2833 02:09:27,290 --> 02:09:25,560 that's counterintelligence they were 2834 02:09:29,089 --> 02:09:27,300 throwing off Admiral Wilson they're 2835 02:09:30,649 --> 02:09:29,099 trying to give him fake stuff so I 2836 02:09:33,050 --> 02:09:30,659 started to look at all the people Jacque 2837 02:09:35,629 --> 02:09:33,060 Valley says no no abductions I got an 2838 02:09:38,149 --> 02:09:35,639 actual quote from Edgar Mitchell said no 2839 02:09:40,490 --> 02:09:38,159 no abductions I got a quote from kit 2840 02:09:42,709 --> 02:09:40,500 green kid green says no abductions ever 2841 02:09:44,810 --> 02:09:42,719 and that's this whole idea that there's 2842 02:09:46,850 --> 02:09:44,820 an event taking place but it may not be 2843 02:09:48,589 --> 02:09:46,860 what we actually think is going on and I 2844 02:09:50,930 --> 02:09:48,599 found this very significant that even 2845 02:09:52,550 --> 02:09:50,940 here they have this idea that they're 2846 02:09:55,070 --> 02:09:52,560 questioning the abduction thing as to 2847 02:09:57,830 --> 02:09:55,080 what it really means yeah and and back 2848 02:10:01,550 --> 02:09:57,840 to your point uh and you're right I did 2849 02:10:03,169 --> 02:10:01,560 a gloss over over this needs and desires 2850 02:10:04,870 --> 02:10:03,179 of E.T 2851 02:10:07,430 --> 02:10:04,880 right 2852 02:10:14,109 --> 02:10:07,440 critical labor 2853 02:10:17,149 --> 02:10:14,119 elements genetics 2854 02:10:21,470 --> 02:10:17,159 and of course knowledge base and then it 2855 02:10:24,890 --> 02:10:21,480 says here avoid cultural shock to us 2856 02:10:27,229 --> 02:10:24,900 yeah yeah that that makes sense yes it 2857 02:10:30,890 --> 02:10:27,239 does even today it does yeah 2858 02:10:35,830 --> 02:10:30,900 um personal stories anecdotes 2859 02:10:39,290 --> 02:10:35,840 um uh this is uh uh 2860 02:10:41,270 --> 02:10:39,300 yes yes uh this is interesting stuff 2861 02:10:44,089 --> 02:10:41,280 this here yeah yes yeah go ahead and go 2862 02:10:45,950 --> 02:10:44,099 through it okay I have to repeat myself 2863 02:10:48,589 --> 02:10:45,960 yeah 2864 02:10:50,689 --> 02:10:48,599 um they have this photo photograph of 2865 02:10:53,689 --> 02:10:50,699 UFOs against the rotating star star 2866 02:10:56,149 --> 02:10:53,699 background nobody was interested so 2867 02:10:58,370 --> 02:10:56,159 stored it in a safe drawer so this guy 2868 02:11:01,310 --> 02:10:58,380 tries to convince somebody and when they 2869 02:11:03,649 --> 02:11:01,320 won't buy the thing this he puts near he 2870 02:11:06,589 --> 02:11:03,659 puts the file or the photographs in his 2871 02:11:09,589 --> 02:11:06,599 in his safe drawer and uh they were gone 2872 02:11:12,890 --> 02:11:09,599 when he cleaned out prior to transfer 2873 02:11:14,450 --> 02:11:12,900 his boss at secretary had safe combos so 2874 02:11:15,890 --> 02:11:14,460 he gets these photographs that you think 2875 02:11:17,870 --> 02:11:15,900 are really significant photographs 2876 02:11:19,729 --> 02:11:17,880 nobody wants to bite he tells people he 2877 02:11:21,530 --> 02:11:19,739 puts them in this safe drawer and then 2878 02:11:24,290 --> 02:11:21,540 when he he leaves to go on a transfer 2879 02:11:26,930 --> 02:11:24,300 the photographs are gone they take them 2880 02:11:28,550 --> 02:11:26,940 out and they talk about that I I think 2881 02:11:29,290 --> 02:11:28,560 it's in here 2882 02:11:32,689 --> 02:11:29,300 um 2883 02:11:34,609 --> 02:11:32,699 uh at this Ed Speakman guy says are we 2884 02:11:37,729 --> 02:11:34,619 being led to the conclusion that an 2885 02:11:42,350 --> 02:11:37,739 organization exists which sucks up all 2886 02:11:45,709 --> 02:11:42,360 this this uh National yeah National into 2887 02:11:48,109 --> 02:11:45,719 a box this idea that that there there's 2888 02:11:49,609 --> 02:11:48,119 guys that are are their job is to get 2889 02:11:50,930 --> 02:11:49,619 rid of this and then this other guy 2890 02:11:52,609 --> 02:11:50,940 makes the comment I think you can 2891 02:11:54,950 --> 02:11:52,619 believe that so they're basically 2892 02:11:57,169 --> 02:11:54,960 admitting the fact that yes they're 2893 02:12:00,229 --> 02:11:57,179 they're there are people that are there 2894 02:12:02,149 --> 02:12:00,239 and I think uh Hal McConnell is the guy 2895 02:12:04,070 --> 02:12:02,159 who was rumored to have released it to 2896 02:12:06,530 --> 02:12:04,080 the New York Times he talks about an 2897 02:12:08,570 --> 02:12:06,540 associate knew a man who got out of the 2898 02:12:11,510 --> 02:12:08,580 Air Force and joined an organization 2899 02:12:13,310 --> 02:12:11,520 which collects and burns such items this 2900 02:12:14,689 --> 02:12:13,320 idea that there are people out there who 2901 02:12:16,850 --> 02:12:14,699 are going to collect the good UFO 2902 02:12:19,010 --> 02:12:16,860 material and they're gonna destroy it 2903 02:12:21,290 --> 02:12:19,020 and get rid of it so you can't prove the 2904 02:12:22,850 --> 02:12:21,300 case and I've I found this page 2905 02:12:24,530 --> 02:12:22,860 absolutely fascinating that these guys 2906 02:12:25,850 --> 02:12:24,540 are having this discussion and the guy 2907 02:12:26,990 --> 02:12:25,860 says you know is that what it was 2908 02:12:28,010 --> 02:12:27,000 leaving the guy says yeah I think that's 2909 02:12:29,570 --> 02:12:28,020 what we're going to believe this is 2910 02:12:31,250 --> 02:12:29,580 what's going on and they're actually 2911 02:12:34,490 --> 02:12:31,260 buying this whole story that this is 2912 02:12:37,070 --> 02:12:34,500 actually going on and it doesn't it uh 2913 02:12:39,709 --> 02:12:37,080 going back to 2914 02:12:43,250 --> 02:12:39,719 um not only Oak Shannon's interview on 2915 02:12:46,030 --> 02:12:43,260 Project Unity but going back to the Eric 2916 02:12:48,709 --> 02:12:46,040 Davis notes in the Wilson Davis document 2917 02:12:50,569 --> 02:12:48,719 about the stonewalling and the 2918 02:12:54,830 --> 02:12:50,579 compartmentalization the hang up of 2919 02:12:58,069 --> 02:12:54,840 phone calls the difficulty to uh to have 2920 02:13:01,250 --> 02:12:58,079 access to what is actually going on that 2921 02:13:04,310 --> 02:13:01,260 there is a concerted effort to conceal 2922 02:13:05,990 --> 02:13:04,320 all of this yeah and and that's the 2923 02:13:08,330 --> 02:13:06,000 thing that we've always been you know is 2924 02:13:11,510 --> 02:13:08,340 there is there this cabal is this this 2925 02:13:16,189 --> 02:13:11,520 group and uh I know even 2926 02:13:17,990 --> 02:13:16,199 um when I in 2016 I was on 2927 02:13:21,589 --> 02:13:18,000 um Coast with 2928 02:13:24,649 --> 02:13:21,599 um uh Chris uh Mellon and he said in 2929 02:13:26,270 --> 02:13:24,659 2016 he said there is no UFO cup there's 2930 02:13:27,890 --> 02:13:26,280 no program if there was a program I 2931 02:13:30,350 --> 02:13:27,900 would have known about it and then you 2932 02:13:32,209 --> 02:13:30,360 see suddenly a year later he's part of 2933 02:13:33,530 --> 02:13:32,219 this program with Elizondo and they're 2934 02:13:35,930 --> 02:13:33,540 going to release all this sort of stuff 2935 02:13:38,569 --> 02:13:35,940 and and so there's this idea is there 2936 02:13:39,770 --> 02:13:38,579 actually a high level group that's 2937 02:13:42,770 --> 02:13:39,780 that's 2938 02:13:45,050 --> 02:13:42,780 um got control of stuff and with the the 2939 02:13:46,010 --> 02:13:45,060 story that was told by 2940 02:13:48,770 --> 02:13:46,020 um 2941 02:13:51,530 --> 02:13:48,780 Appropriations Committee the lawyer 2942 02:13:54,770 --> 02:13:51,540 where he told Jesse Marcel Jr uh dick 2943 02:13:56,330 --> 02:13:54,780 D'Amato told Jesse marzou Jr he said I 2944 02:13:58,010 --> 02:13:56,340 want to tell you this is all for real he 2945 02:14:00,109 --> 02:13:58,020 points to Majestic book and he bangs on 2946 02:14:02,030 --> 02:14:00,119 it and they're in a skiff as well 2947 02:14:03,890 --> 02:14:02,040 underneath the capitol he said this is 2948 02:14:04,850 --> 02:14:03,900 for real and then Jesse said I know it's 2949 02:14:06,589 --> 02:14:04,860 for real what are you going to do about 2950 02:14:08,089 --> 02:14:06,599 it he said well if it's up to me I would 2951 02:14:10,310 --> 02:14:08,099 have released it yesterday but it's not 2952 02:14:12,830 --> 02:14:10,320 up to me I'm just here to find out how 2953 02:14:14,450 --> 02:14:12,840 much the security is costing and you see 2954 02:14:16,490 --> 02:14:14,460 this this idea that there is actually 2955 02:14:18,410 --> 02:14:16,500 this group and now you've heard about 2956 02:14:19,850 --> 02:14:18,420 these these these programs that helped 2957 02:14:20,750 --> 02:14:19,860 putoff talks about these I can't 2958 02:14:23,270 --> 02:14:20,760 remember what the name of the program 2959 02:14:25,010 --> 02:14:23,280 was but these programs that exist and 2960 02:14:27,050 --> 02:14:25,020 they're right there so the idea is to 2961 02:14:30,050 --> 02:14:27,060 say well Lou Elizondo is head of the UFO 2962 02:14:31,729 --> 02:14:30,060 program which UFO program is he ahead of 2963 02:14:34,669 --> 02:14:31,739 now the rumor is that he's heading up 2964 02:14:37,970 --> 02:14:34,679 the program for the this the space the 2965 02:14:39,109 --> 02:14:37,980 space he's not this is well this is the 2966 02:14:42,010 --> 02:14:39,119 rumor that's going around this is the 2967 02:14:44,930 --> 02:14:42,020 thing is that's that's social media 2968 02:14:46,609 --> 02:14:44,940 creating stuff okay but that's the the 2969 02:14:48,050 --> 02:14:46,619 that's the debate that people have is 2970 02:14:49,790 --> 02:14:48,060 there actually a group up there of 2971 02:14:51,589 --> 02:14:49,800 people who know more than we do or you 2972 02:14:53,330 --> 02:14:51,599 hear Lou Elizondo talking and he says 2973 02:14:55,430 --> 02:14:53,340 we'll have to watch what I say and when 2974 02:14:57,950 --> 02:14:55,440 he says that it indicates to me there's 2975 02:15:01,069 --> 02:14:57,960 somebody above him who knows more about 2976 02:15:02,629 --> 02:15:01,079 the this situation like how would he how 2977 02:15:04,970 --> 02:15:02,639 would somebody know that he broke 2978 02:15:06,649 --> 02:15:04,980 security unless somebody above him knows 2979 02:15:08,089 --> 02:15:06,659 more than he does and knows when he's 2980 02:15:09,830 --> 02:15:08,099 breaking security clearance and when 2981 02:15:11,870 --> 02:15:09,840 he's not breaking security cards there's 2982 02:15:13,069 --> 02:15:11,880 a bunch of people that appears to be 2983 02:15:15,050 --> 02:15:13,079 that what these guys are talking about 2984 02:15:17,750 --> 02:15:15,060 there's a group up there and maybe a 2985 02:15:19,850 --> 02:15:17,760 black group and maybe a uh uh you know a 2986 02:15:21,649 --> 02:15:19,860 group that's compartmentalized that 2987 02:15:24,169 --> 02:15:21,659 knows what's going on and will come down 2988 02:15:26,810 --> 02:15:24,179 and once you become public as was this 2989 02:15:28,729 --> 02:15:26,820 this reference in the Jacque Valley's 2990 02:15:32,990 --> 02:15:28,739 book once it becomes public they throw 2991 02:15:35,030 --> 02:15:33,000 that the the the uh the the thing in the 2992 02:15:36,290 --> 02:15:35,040 gears to shut the program down because 2993 02:15:38,209 --> 02:15:36,300 they don't want any programs running 2994 02:15:40,430 --> 02:15:38,219 that there is actually these high level 2995 02:15:42,410 --> 02:15:40,440 groups that are running or pumped along 2996 02:15:44,149 --> 02:15:42,420 when Tom long went to the skiff in 2997 02:15:46,129 --> 02:15:44,159 Lockheed Skunk Works and the head 2998 02:15:47,689 --> 02:15:46,139 scientist says to him what do you what 2999 02:15:49,370 --> 02:15:47,699 do you know how did they get here and he 3000 02:15:51,169 --> 02:15:49,380 says I think Consciousness is involved 3001 02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:51,179 and then he said the head scientist said 3002 02:15:54,410 --> 02:15:52,800 now you're talking and that's all he 3003 02:15:56,689 --> 02:15:54,420 would talk about for 45 minutes was 3004 02:15:58,370 --> 02:15:56,699 Consciousness as if they have this idea 3005 02:16:00,770 --> 02:15:58,380 of how this thing actually operates 3006 02:16:02,089 --> 02:16:00,780 which is what I've come to it's got more 3007 02:16:04,669 --> 02:16:02,099 to do with Consciousness than people 3008 02:16:05,569 --> 02:16:04,679 really will give it credit for and yeah 3009 02:16:06,189 --> 02:16:05,579 yeah 3010 02:16:09,770 --> 02:16:06,199 um 3011 02:16:11,689 --> 02:16:09,780 I'm a little concerned about how uh you 3012 02:16:15,669 --> 02:16:11,699 know it's like the game of telephone 3013 02:16:18,890 --> 02:16:15,679 that we used to play as kids and uh Lu 3014 02:16:22,089 --> 02:16:18,900 elizondo's role in the space force now 3015 02:16:24,950 --> 02:16:22,099 he may be a consultant 3016 02:16:28,970 --> 02:16:24,960 I mean you tell me what he has been you 3017 02:16:31,609 --> 02:16:28,980 know quite frankly uh to be a member of 3018 02:16:34,730 --> 02:16:31,619 the space force you're enlisted 3019 02:16:36,889 --> 02:16:34,740 you're enlisted you're wearing a uniform 3020 02:16:41,450 --> 02:16:36,899 okay that's that's a whole nother 3021 02:16:44,030 --> 02:16:41,460 situation and until Lou is in uniform 3022 02:16:47,030 --> 02:16:44,040 um and and we see pictures of that he's 3023 02:16:49,910 --> 02:16:47,040 not enlisted in the space force you need 3024 02:16:52,790 --> 02:16:49,920 a DD214 and everything else and you 3025 02:16:55,129 --> 02:16:52,800 wouldn't be on Twitter talking about it 3026 02:16:56,810 --> 02:16:55,139 that's it that's it that's all you're 3027 02:16:59,870 --> 02:16:56,820 saying he's not even part of space force 3028 02:17:01,009 --> 02:16:59,880 no but maybe as a contractor but as 3029 02:17:02,089 --> 02:17:01,019 assistant but you're guessing I mean 3030 02:17:03,589 --> 02:17:02,099 you're guessing the same way you're 3031 02:17:05,450 --> 02:17:03,599 guessing in the opposite of Direction 3032 02:17:07,070 --> 02:17:05,460 you're guessing I'm guessing we don't 3033 02:17:08,750 --> 02:17:07,080 know that's the thing is is there all 3034 02:17:11,089 --> 02:17:08,760 these rumors are running around and 3035 02:17:13,969 --> 02:17:11,099 because there's no there's no openness 3036 02:17:16,429 --> 02:17:13,979 it's all secrecy the rumors Runner muck 3037 02:17:18,589 --> 02:17:16,439 that's why we have all the rumors is 3038 02:17:20,990 --> 02:17:18,599 because there's so much secrecy yeah 3039 02:17:24,250 --> 02:17:21,000 true except Grant 3040 02:17:26,570 --> 02:17:24,260 um I was just at uh space Force Base 3041 02:17:29,629 --> 02:17:26,580 Vandenberg it's not an Air Force Base 3042 02:17:32,690 --> 02:17:29,639 it's now a space four space I was just 3043 02:17:37,370 --> 02:17:32,700 there I went on base and I watched a 3044 02:17:39,530 --> 02:17:37,380 launch okay I was around members of the 3045 02:17:42,290 --> 02:17:39,540 space force security teams everything 3046 02:17:44,990 --> 02:17:42,300 else everybody it's it's you're in 3047 02:17:47,570 --> 02:17:45,000 uniform I have pictures of me with a 3048 02:17:51,349 --> 02:17:47,580 space Force personnel with my arms 3049 02:17:53,810 --> 02:17:51,359 around them you are enlisted you're 3050 02:17:57,410 --> 02:17:53,820 enlisted you're not a job you have a job 3051 02:18:00,349 --> 02:17:57,420 there is nobody uh running around there 3052 02:18:02,030 --> 02:18:00,359 as as a civilian claiming to be a member 3053 02:18:04,910 --> 02:18:02,040 of the space force no it's like saying 3054 02:18:06,770 --> 02:18:04,920 you're in the Army but you're not you 3055 02:18:10,070 --> 02:18:06,780 can't be you can't say you're in the 3056 02:18:12,709 --> 02:18:10,080 Army you may be a consultant to 3057 02:18:15,709 --> 02:18:12,719 something but you know you have to be 3058 02:18:18,410 --> 02:18:15,719 enlisted to be in the space force 3059 02:18:20,629 --> 02:18:18,420 um so if Lou is enlisted then he's 3060 02:18:22,549 --> 02:18:20,639 enlisted well okay that's a difference 3061 02:18:24,469 --> 02:18:22,559 it should be a contractor and a 3062 02:18:26,990 --> 02:18:24,479 contractor but you're not that's not a 3063 02:18:28,490 --> 02:18:27,000 member of the space force well but it's 3064 02:18:30,110 --> 02:18:28,500 still space force I mean you're you're 3065 02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:30,120 playing word games here and that's what 3066 02:18:34,610 --> 02:18:31,760 I'm saying 3067 02:18:36,830 --> 02:18:34,620 Grant it's not word games if you're a 3068 02:18:38,750 --> 02:18:36,840 contractor to the United States Army 3069 02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:38,760 you're a contractor at the United States 3070 02:18:43,870 --> 02:18:41,040 Army you're not a member of the United 3071 02:18:46,910 --> 02:18:43,880 States Army it's a difference 3072 02:18:48,349 --> 02:18:46,920 it's a a word game I believe it's a word 3073 02:18:49,730 --> 02:18:48,359 game they're playing I mean you're 3074 02:18:51,770 --> 02:18:49,740 you're a contractor you're really not 3075 02:18:53,150 --> 02:18:51,780 with us but we're paying you and it's 3076 02:18:54,830 --> 02:18:53,160 coming out of another budget and this 3077 02:18:56,150 --> 02:18:54,840 this company owns this company to get 3078 02:18:58,009 --> 02:18:56,160 paid out of this company but this 3079 02:18:59,389 --> 02:18:58,019 company is actually doing it and they 3080 02:19:00,709 --> 02:18:59,399 play these games all the time and they 3081 02:19:02,330 --> 02:19:00,719 move the money around and nobody knows 3082 02:19:03,950 --> 02:19:02,340 where the money's coming from and that's 3083 02:19:05,990 --> 02:19:03,960 the problem with secrecy when we have 3084 02:19:07,310 --> 02:19:06,000 this secrecy all this stuff happens 3085 02:19:08,990 --> 02:19:07,320 there's all these stories there's all 3086 02:19:10,910 --> 02:19:09,000 these rumors and we have to guess what 3087 02:19:12,530 --> 02:19:10,920 option do we have to guess what's going 3088 02:19:14,750 --> 02:19:12,540 on yeah because nobody's telling us 3089 02:19:16,610 --> 02:19:14,760 that's what I said to you Jimmy in terms 3090 02:19:18,589 --> 02:19:16,620 of what Congress has learned what have 3091 02:19:20,690 --> 02:19:18,599 you learned from Congress absolutely 3092 02:19:22,610 --> 02:19:20,700 nothing except the fact that they're 3093 02:19:24,650 --> 02:19:22,620 doing an investigation it's all behind 3094 02:19:26,570 --> 02:19:24,660 closed door it's all under secrecy it's 3095 02:19:28,429 --> 02:19:26,580 all going into the black world we don't 3096 02:19:30,650 --> 02:19:28,439 know anything except it was 144 3097 02:19:32,209 --> 02:19:30,660 sightings end of story keep paying your 3098 02:19:34,549 --> 02:19:32,219 taxes and shut up that's what they're 3099 02:19:37,150 --> 02:19:34,559 doing that's exactly it and and again I 3100 02:19:41,450 --> 02:19:37,160 I'll go back to my point 3101 02:19:45,230 --> 02:19:41,460 the research that the UFO Community has 3102 02:19:50,210 --> 02:19:45,240 done into Wilson Davis Oak Shannon these 3103 02:19:52,490 --> 02:19:50,220 notes is more work that I mean why than 3104 02:19:55,190 --> 02:19:52,500 what has been presented to us the UFO 3105 02:19:58,550 --> 02:19:55,200 Community has done this on their own and 3106 02:20:01,849 --> 02:19:58,560 why why doesn't why isn't Chris Mellon 3107 02:20:04,550 --> 02:20:01,859 talking about uh Oak Shannon why isn't 3108 02:20:07,790 --> 02:20:04,560 Chris melon talking about uh Eric Davis 3109 02:20:09,950 --> 02:20:07,800 and the Wilson Davis docs you know this 3110 02:20:11,510 --> 02:20:09,960 this is extraordinary and they're 3111 02:20:14,030 --> 02:20:11,520 talking about secrecy and it's here 3112 02:20:15,889 --> 02:20:14,040 right in front of them this is this is 3113 02:20:17,690 --> 02:20:15,899 work I don't get it if you know 3114 02:20:19,849 --> 02:20:17,700 everything why don't you know about this 3115 02:20:21,170 --> 02:20:19,859 well they are being asked I mean has 3116 02:20:23,690 --> 02:20:21,180 been asked how many times about the 3117 02:20:25,370 --> 02:20:23,700 Wilson document and he walks around it 3118 02:20:27,110 --> 02:20:25,380 which indicates that he knows something 3119 02:20:28,010 --> 02:20:27,120 but he's not talking about it I mean 3120 02:20:29,750 --> 02:20:28,020 they've been asked I don't know if 3121 02:20:30,889 --> 02:20:29,760 melon's been asked but Elizondo for sure 3122 02:20:33,050 --> 02:20:30,899 has been asked I've heard him being 3123 02:20:36,110 --> 02:20:33,060 asked about the the thing and the same 3124 02:20:38,090 --> 02:20:36,120 they ask you know Nolan and he talks in 3125 02:20:39,889 --> 02:20:38,100 his little Rhymes and riddles and you 3126 02:20:41,270 --> 02:20:39,899 sort of get the indication that okay he 3127 02:20:42,889 --> 02:20:41,280 knows and he gave somebody a briefing 3128 02:20:44,630 --> 02:20:42,899 and all this kind of stuff and and 3129 02:20:46,610 --> 02:20:44,640 that's the problem is we still have a 3130 02:20:48,230 --> 02:20:46,620 lot of secrecy that were that we're 3131 02:20:49,910 --> 02:20:48,240 fighting through and then that's what 3132 02:20:51,410 --> 02:20:49,920 the Canadians said in 1950s the most 3133 02:20:54,170 --> 02:20:51,420 highly classified subject in the United 3134 02:20:56,450 --> 02:20:54,180 States and there's no there's a lot of 3135 02:20:58,790 --> 02:20:56,460 high-level secrecy and everybody's 3136 02:21:00,110 --> 02:20:58,800 keeping it to themselves and one of the 3137 02:21:02,090 --> 02:21:00,120 problems they have in the terms of 3138 02:21:04,010 --> 02:21:02,100 secrecy is they don't know anything I 3139 02:21:06,170 --> 02:21:04,020 maintained that beyond the UFOs being 3140 02:21:07,969 --> 02:21:06,180 here they don't really know a heck of a 3141 02:21:09,710 --> 02:21:07,979 lot in terms of the Consciousness and 3142 02:21:11,030 --> 02:21:09,720 how that's all fits together and 3143 02:21:12,170 --> 02:21:11,040 therefore they they want to be secret 3144 02:21:13,790 --> 02:21:12,180 because they don't want to give their 3145 02:21:15,469 --> 02:21:13,800 cards to the Russians into the Chinese 3146 02:21:18,050 --> 02:21:15,479 so I don't blame them for the secrecy 3147 02:21:24,469 --> 02:21:18,060 but the secrecy is causing the rumors 3148 02:21:27,349 --> 02:21:24,479 yeah and and uh again uh social media is 3149 02:21:29,510 --> 02:21:27,359 is creating some of these statements 3150 02:21:33,170 --> 02:21:29,520 um I haven't heard uh uh anything 3151 02:21:35,570 --> 02:21:33,180 definitive from anybody uh about Lou 3152 02:21:37,910 --> 02:21:35,580 being a member of the space force a 3153 02:21:39,590 --> 02:21:37,920 consultant okay all right 3154 02:21:43,790 --> 02:21:39,600 um and it may not have anything to do 3155 02:21:45,490 --> 02:21:43,800 with UFOs by the way it could be I don't 3156 02:21:48,830 --> 02:21:45,500 think there's any chance of that because 3157 02:21:51,290 --> 02:21:48,840 no chance okay no chance okay so now 3158 02:21:54,590 --> 02:21:51,300 let's go to this next page here uh Jack 3159 02:21:57,469 --> 02:21:54,600 Houck uh recovered 3160 02:21:58,790 --> 02:21:57,479 um uh materials found 3161 02:22:01,190 --> 02:21:58,800 um and let's let's go through this 3162 02:22:03,290 --> 02:22:01,200 because this is uh again uh very 3163 02:22:06,110 --> 02:22:03,300 significant because they mentioned angel 3164 02:22:07,730 --> 02:22:06,120 hair which is something that hasn't been 3165 02:22:10,610 --> 02:22:07,740 talked about in the UFO community in 3166 02:22:12,889 --> 02:22:10,620 quite a while but this is 1985. 3167 02:22:17,510 --> 02:22:12,899 um Yellow National 3168 02:22:20,469 --> 02:22:17,520 um uh uh polystyrene conventional uh 3169 02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:20,479 yellow material conventional polystyrene 3170 02:22:31,849 --> 02:22:23,040 paper tape 3171 02:22:34,370 --> 02:22:31,859 one millimeter shavings chaff a perfect 3172 02:22:35,330 --> 02:22:34,380 Dimensions uh can you comment on this 3173 02:22:37,490 --> 02:22:35,340 page 3174 02:22:40,010 --> 02:22:37,500 uh well the metal is 3175 02:22:41,870 --> 02:22:40,020 um I think they at some some point refer 3176 02:22:43,730 --> 02:22:41,880 to the Brazilian thing that they have 3177 02:22:45,830 --> 02:22:43,740 some of the Brazilian stuff I'm not sure 3178 02:22:47,690 --> 02:22:45,840 what the metal shavings are the angel 3179 02:22:49,610 --> 02:22:47,700 hair is I always talk about in the UFO 3180 02:22:50,929 --> 02:22:49,620 community that the the intelligence is 3181 02:22:52,790 --> 02:22:50,939 kind of phenomenon is playing a game 3182 02:22:54,530 --> 02:22:52,800 that they do this then they do this like 3183 02:22:56,270 --> 02:22:54,540 1895 they're flying around in Wooden 3184 02:22:59,090 --> 02:22:56,280 Ships for propellers and then they 3185 02:23:00,770 --> 02:22:59,100 change this type of craft and the angel 3186 02:23:01,910 --> 02:23:00,780 hair most people really don't even know 3187 02:23:04,610 --> 02:23:01,920 what it is because it hasn't happened 3188 02:23:07,309 --> 02:23:04,620 for many years it was a 50s 60s 70s 3189 02:23:10,370 --> 02:23:07,319 where UFOs would fly over and they would 3190 02:23:12,590 --> 02:23:10,380 leave this sort of a cloud almost like a 3191 02:23:14,270 --> 02:23:12,600 web of white stuff hanging from trees 3192 02:23:16,910 --> 02:23:14,280 and people would collect this stuff in 3193 02:23:19,849 --> 02:23:16,920 fact the 1952 piece that came to Canada 3194 02:23:21,830 --> 02:23:19,859 there was a CIA guy packaged it for the 3195 02:23:24,650 --> 02:23:21,840 Canadians and they put some angel hair 3196 02:23:26,570 --> 02:23:24,660 in the box with the 1952 pieces which 3197 02:23:28,610 --> 02:23:26,580 came to Canada when it arrived in Canada 3198 02:23:30,170 --> 02:23:28,620 the angel hair had to completely 3199 02:23:31,730 --> 02:23:30,180 disappeared and that was the whole idea 3200 02:23:34,010 --> 02:23:31,740 being an angel there it would sort of 3201 02:23:35,809 --> 02:23:34,020 disappear you'd have it here it would 3202 02:23:38,690 --> 02:23:35,819 dissolve and you could never get get it 3203 02:23:40,250 --> 02:23:38,700 analyzed but this is with the in those 3204 02:23:42,650 --> 02:23:40,260 days but now angel hair doesn't happen 3205 02:23:44,570 --> 02:23:42,660 anymore and and I maintain that's 3206 02:23:46,130 --> 02:23:44,580 happening with a lot of UFO stuff that 3207 02:23:48,170 --> 02:23:46,140 we really don't have Landing traces 3208 02:23:50,450 --> 02:23:48,180 anymore we don't have UFOs with Windows 3209 02:23:52,670 --> 02:23:50,460 anymore we it's almost like the the 3210 02:23:54,710 --> 02:23:52,680 intelligence is turning the pages of a 3211 02:23:55,969 --> 02:23:54,720 book it does this then does this starts 3212 02:23:57,530 --> 02:23:55,979 scheduling relations and stops 3213 02:23:59,030 --> 02:23:57,540 scheduling relations they introduce crop 3214 02:24:00,710 --> 02:23:59,040 circles then it does this and it's 3215 02:24:02,750 --> 02:24:00,720 almost like it's dropping these little 3216 02:24:04,190 --> 02:24:02,760 breadcrumbs and keeping us going and the 3217 02:24:05,870 --> 02:24:04,200 mistake we make in the UFO communities 3218 02:24:09,110 --> 02:24:05,880 we always think that what happened today 3219 02:24:09,950 --> 02:24:09,120 happened in 1975 and I was in 75 and I 3220 02:24:11,750 --> 02:24:09,960 can tell you it was a completely 3221 02:24:12,830 --> 02:24:11,760 different world than it is now none of 3222 02:24:15,530 --> 02:24:12,840 the stuff that was being talked about 3223 02:24:18,110 --> 02:24:15,540 now was talked about in 1975 none of it 3224 02:24:22,250 --> 02:24:18,120 the first I remember the first crash or 3225 02:24:25,130 --> 02:24:22,260 the first alien body uh thing was done 3226 02:24:26,990 --> 02:24:25,140 at Dayton Air Force Dayton uh mufon 3227 02:24:28,490 --> 02:24:27,000 conference I remember there Len 3228 02:24:30,290 --> 02:24:28,500 Stringfield was giving it I remember 3229 02:24:31,969 --> 02:24:30,300 there was a threat I was to talk to him 3230 02:24:34,010 --> 02:24:31,979 suddenly they said oh he's been moved to 3231 02:24:35,870 --> 02:24:34,020 another hotel because there was a a 3232 02:24:37,969 --> 02:24:35,880 threat against his death was the first 3233 02:24:39,710 --> 02:24:37,979 time they talked about alien bodies was 3234 02:24:41,150 --> 02:24:39,720 that that conference lent Stringfield I 3235 02:24:43,550 --> 02:24:41,160 remember that clearly that was like in 3236 02:24:44,990 --> 02:24:43,560 1978 but before then we'd never heard 3237 02:24:46,670 --> 02:24:45,000 about this kind of stuff it was just not 3238 02:24:48,349 --> 02:24:46,680 talked about and now it's a completely 3239 02:24:51,230 --> 02:24:48,359 different world almost like we've 3240 02:24:53,090 --> 02:24:51,240 Advanced greatly Beyond understanding of 3241 02:24:55,130 --> 02:24:53,100 1975 in terms of the fact that 3242 02:24:56,870 --> 02:24:55,140 Consciousness is part of this thing that 3243 02:24:58,790 --> 02:24:56,880 it's more complex than we think it is 3244 02:25:00,170 --> 02:24:58,800 that there may be like you had this 3245 02:25:02,870 --> 02:25:00,180 whole thing about the Drake equation 3246 02:25:05,090 --> 02:25:02,880 that was almost the old school now it's 3247 02:25:06,770 --> 02:25:05,100 the idea where uh that people are 3248 02:25:09,349 --> 02:25:06,780 talking about the fact that they may be 3249 02:25:11,150 --> 02:25:09,359 able to move instantaneously the the 3250 02:25:12,349 --> 02:25:11,160 idea of non-local time and space that 3251 02:25:14,210 --> 02:25:12,359 they could actually move from place to 3252 02:25:16,429 --> 02:25:14,220 place just by moving into Dimensions 3253 02:25:18,349 --> 02:25:16,439 Dimensions weren't talked about in 1975 3254 02:25:20,510 --> 02:25:18,359 there's no way so it's a different world 3255 02:25:21,950 --> 02:25:20,520 than it is now and so people are 3256 02:25:25,070 --> 02:25:21,960 struggling here you've got very simple 3257 02:25:26,450 --> 02:25:25,080 stuff now you you've got uh you know uh 3258 02:25:28,309 --> 02:25:26,460 Jacques valet with this whole collection 3259 02:25:30,590 --> 02:25:28,319 of stuff and they're using very 3260 02:25:32,570 --> 02:25:30,600 elaborate machines where tests were done 3261 02:25:34,190 --> 02:25:32,580 on this middle back in 1975 they said 3262 02:25:36,050 --> 02:25:34,200 there's nothing to it and now they've 3263 02:25:38,450 --> 02:25:36,060 got this new equipment that Nolan has 3264 02:25:41,030 --> 02:25:38,460 and they can do more and they suddenly 3265 02:25:42,590 --> 02:25:41,040 detect that the Isotopes have changed so 3266 02:25:44,870 --> 02:25:42,600 we're moving along and we're getting 3267 02:25:46,250 --> 02:25:44,880 more advanced and more sure of this 3268 02:25:48,110 --> 02:25:46,260 thing to the point where now everybody 3269 02:25:49,370 --> 02:25:48,120 would say if you go in the in this in 3270 02:25:51,110 --> 02:25:49,380 the street and say do you think UFOs 3271 02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:51,120 exist everybody'd say yeah yeah they 3272 02:25:55,670 --> 02:25:53,040 exist it's a different world especially 3273 02:25:56,870 --> 02:25:55,680 after 2017 when the New York Times broke 3274 02:25:58,610 --> 02:25:56,880 the story it's a completely different 3275 02:26:00,770 --> 02:25:58,620 world and people have to realize it's a 3276 02:26:02,510 --> 02:26:00,780 different world than it was in 1985 when 3277 02:26:04,370 --> 02:26:02,520 this document was written and there 3278 02:26:06,230 --> 02:26:04,380 there was uh going back to the Oak 3279 02:26:07,389 --> 02:26:06,240 Shannon interview 3280 02:26:11,809 --> 02:26:07,399 um Oak 3281 02:26:13,849 --> 02:26:11,819 really caught my attention when he said 3282 02:26:17,570 --> 02:26:13,859 that uh you know after Vietnam he was 3283 02:26:19,010 --> 02:26:17,580 able to choose his next assignment and 3284 02:26:21,610 --> 02:26:19,020 he decided to go back to officer 3285 02:26:24,950 --> 02:26:21,620 training school in Monterey California 3286 02:26:28,250 --> 02:26:24,960 where he I think he said he got a degree 3287 02:26:31,790 --> 02:26:28,260 in physics right and while he was there 3288 02:26:32,990 --> 02:26:31,800 he partnered up with uh His Name Escapes 3289 02:26:35,030 --> 02:26:33,000 Me Now 3290 02:26:38,929 --> 02:26:35,040 um but somebody else in the Navy at the 3291 02:26:42,889 --> 02:26:38,939 school that developed the theory of a 3292 02:26:44,510 --> 02:26:42,899 Fifth Dimension right and and Oak spent 3293 02:26:47,330 --> 02:26:44,520 a lot of time talking about the 3294 02:26:49,190 --> 02:26:47,340 interdimensional aspect of this uh when 3295 02:26:53,750 --> 02:26:49,200 we talk about a Fifth Dimension and the 3296 02:26:57,469 --> 02:26:53,760 ability to go from another dimension 3297 02:26:59,690 --> 02:26:57,479 into our Dimension and this is how this 3298 02:27:02,570 --> 02:26:59,700 that they're there they're just going 3299 02:27:06,230 --> 02:27:02,580 from one dimension into another which in 3300 02:27:08,270 --> 02:27:06,240 this case is a dimension here where we 3301 02:27:11,030 --> 02:27:08,280 can see them I thought that was 3302 02:27:12,650 --> 02:27:11,040 extremely profound by Oak yeah and they 3303 02:27:14,510 --> 02:27:12,660 and they they pretty it sounded like 3304 02:27:16,010 --> 02:27:14,520 they produce some some material some 3305 02:27:17,570 --> 02:27:16,020 written material and what you're going 3306 02:27:19,969 --> 02:27:17,580 to see I think the other thing I've 3307 02:27:22,010 --> 02:27:19,979 noticed is I call them the Young Guns 3308 02:27:23,570 --> 02:27:22,020 these young guys that are in the UFO 3309 02:27:25,849 --> 02:27:23,580 Community who know how to work a 3310 02:27:27,710 --> 02:27:25,859 computer they know how to search stuff 3311 02:27:29,030 --> 02:27:27,720 and what you're going to see now as I 3312 02:27:30,710 --> 02:27:29,040 said before is you're going to see 3313 02:27:32,330 --> 02:27:30,720 people rip this document apart and 3314 02:27:34,429 --> 02:27:32,340 they're going to start looking for for 3315 02:27:36,410 --> 02:27:34,439 these papers did the oak Shannon papers 3316 02:27:37,610 --> 02:27:36,420 write it on on this Fifth Dimension 3317 02:27:40,250 --> 02:27:37,620 stuff like that you're going to see a 3318 02:27:43,429 --> 02:27:40,260 lot of stuff that's tied into this where 3319 02:27:46,969 --> 02:27:43,439 these guys will pull out new details and 3320 02:27:49,070 --> 02:27:46,979 uh stuff that that I never even knew 3321 02:27:51,230 --> 02:27:49,080 just based upon these documents so this 3322 02:27:53,990 --> 02:27:51,240 is like a breadcrumb thing for these 3323 02:27:58,490 --> 02:27:54,000 very smart guys to take the next step 3324 02:28:00,530 --> 02:27:58,500 and uh and he said Oak Shannon again uh 3325 02:28:02,389 --> 02:28:00,540 I'm just paraphrasing here 3326 02:28:03,889 --> 02:28:02,399 um I've watched the interview multiple 3327 02:28:05,950 --> 02:28:03,899 times 3328 02:28:10,490 --> 02:28:05,960 um he said that he took 3329 02:28:12,530 --> 02:28:10,500 uh this Fifth Dimension Theory which is 3330 02:28:16,429 --> 02:28:12,540 what he called it 3331 02:28:19,130 --> 02:28:16,439 um to Los Alamos and and and presented 3332 02:28:21,770 --> 02:28:19,140 it to the physicists there 3333 02:28:24,290 --> 02:28:21,780 um and it was an uphill battle uh trying 3334 02:28:27,290 --> 02:28:24,300 to get them to accept this Fifth 3335 02:28:28,610 --> 02:28:27,300 Dimension Theory uh into the world of 3336 02:28:30,530 --> 02:28:28,620 physics what did you think about that 3337 02:28:32,270 --> 02:28:30,540 comment well that was that's what I mean 3338 02:28:33,950 --> 02:28:32,280 I mean he he was working with the other 3339 02:28:36,170 --> 02:28:33,960 guy and I think he said somebody killed 3340 02:28:37,309 --> 02:28:36,180 it or something somebody uh killed the 3341 02:28:38,929 --> 02:28:37,319 project he was they were trying to 3342 02:28:40,730 --> 02:28:38,939 convince these higher ups and that may 3343 02:28:43,730 --> 02:28:40,740 be in how he got involved with John 3344 02:28:45,590 --> 02:28:43,740 Alexander was at Los Alamos and and so 3345 02:28:47,510 --> 02:28:45,600 when when Oak was there he's probably 3346 02:28:48,950 --> 02:28:47,520 talking about this stuff and his buddy 3347 02:28:50,750 --> 02:28:48,960 was talking about it and they were 3348 02:28:52,429 --> 02:28:50,760 trying to convince people and and sell 3349 02:28:53,929 --> 02:28:52,439 their thing to get funding the same 3350 02:28:55,429 --> 02:28:53,939 thing that's how it works in science and 3351 02:28:56,990 --> 02:28:55,439 you've got to convince people that 3352 02:28:58,910 --> 02:28:57,000 you've got a good idea that they should 3353 02:29:02,450 --> 02:28:58,920 fund and so they were trying to sell 3354 02:29:03,590 --> 02:29:02,460 this thing and and and and so Alexander 3355 02:29:05,870 --> 02:29:03,600 would have figured out this guy was into 3356 02:29:07,670 --> 02:29:05,880 UFOs and said oh come to this meeting 3357 02:29:09,590 --> 02:29:07,680 and John said all these people paid 3358 02:29:10,730 --> 02:29:09,600 their own way that this was not 3359 02:29:12,170 --> 02:29:10,740 something that the government funded 3360 02:29:14,450 --> 02:29:12,180 they all paid their own way to this to 3361 02:29:16,070 --> 02:29:14,460 this meeting and so that's how uh Oak 3362 02:29:17,630 --> 02:29:16,080 got involved by this fifth dimensional 3363 02:29:19,910 --> 02:29:17,640 thing I'd be interesting to see I'm 3364 02:29:21,290 --> 02:29:19,920 pretty sure someone will go and find in 3365 02:29:24,530 --> 02:29:21,300 the literature of scientific literature 3366 02:29:25,849 --> 02:29:24,540 the actual writings by uh Oak Shannon I 3367 02:29:27,710 --> 02:29:25,859 would say that that's changed now 3368 02:29:30,469 --> 02:29:27,720 because Oak Shannon is still you see 3369 02:29:32,450 --> 02:29:30,479 it's a material version of uh The Fifth 3370 02:29:33,710 --> 02:29:32,460 Dimension is still material and I'm 3371 02:29:34,849 --> 02:29:33,720 going to say that it's going to be it's 3372 02:29:37,309 --> 02:29:34,859 going to be conscious it's going to be 3373 02:29:39,349 --> 02:29:37,319 Max Planck that says Consciousness is 3374 02:29:41,389 --> 02:29:39,359 primary that's where it's the UFO 3375 02:29:42,710 --> 02:29:41,399 Community is going in terms of the when 3376 02:29:44,570 --> 02:29:42,720 the people fly the ship they talk about 3377 02:29:46,610 --> 02:29:44,580 you use your mind to fly the ship the 3378 02:29:48,830 --> 02:29:46,620 ship is alive you've become one with the 3379 02:29:50,570 --> 02:29:48,840 craft you can go instantaneously I 3380 02:29:52,790 --> 02:29:50,580 talked to the one guy who said it was 3381 02:29:55,010 --> 02:29:52,800 one second and he was outside the Milky 3382 02:29:57,469 --> 02:29:55,020 Way which is like 50 to 7 70 000 light 3383 02:29:58,730 --> 02:29:57,479 years he went in one second that's the 3384 02:30:00,290 --> 02:29:58,740 kind of stuff so when you see where 3385 02:30:01,670 --> 02:30:00,300 they're talking about multiple lifetimes 3386 02:30:04,370 --> 02:30:01,680 you're one the way trip and all this 3387 02:30:07,190 --> 02:30:04,380 kind of stuff or you know the this whole 3388 02:30:08,990 --> 02:30:07,200 idea of interstellar travel in the 3389 02:30:11,450 --> 02:30:09,000 physical world but in the in the 3390 02:30:13,670 --> 02:30:11,460 interdimensional world the idea of if 3391 02:30:15,650 --> 02:30:13,680 time and space is non-local if it's all 3392 02:30:17,030 --> 02:30:15,660 non-local you can move from one place to 3393 02:30:19,010 --> 02:30:17,040 the other that's what Eric Davis is 3394 02:30:20,750 --> 02:30:19,020 working on the whole idea of wormholes 3395 02:30:22,190 --> 02:30:20,760 that that not this idea that they're 3396 02:30:23,990 --> 02:30:22,200 talking here this Advanced thing that 3397 02:30:25,250 --> 02:30:24,000 you can actually flip from one part of 3398 02:30:27,830 --> 02:30:25,260 the universe to the other I think that's 3399 02:30:30,469 --> 02:30:27,840 where it's going and I I say Max Planck 3400 02:30:32,929 --> 02:30:30,479 said Consciousness is primary and a lot 3401 02:30:34,550 --> 02:30:32,939 of the early Quantum physicist guy said 3402 02:30:36,290 --> 02:30:34,560 you can't get behind Consciousness 3403 02:30:38,030 --> 02:30:36,300 through all these things Consciousness 3404 02:30:40,910 --> 02:30:38,040 is primary Consciousness creates matter 3405 02:30:42,530 --> 02:30:40,920 and I say until we get that solid we are 3406 02:30:44,090 --> 02:30:42,540 never going to understand the UFOs thing 3407 02:30:45,830 --> 02:30:44,100 we've got it backwards we think that 3408 02:30:47,570 --> 02:30:45,840 matter creates Consciousness it's the 3409 02:30:49,370 --> 02:30:47,580 other way around and that's the key to 3410 02:30:51,950 --> 02:30:49,380 the whole UFO mystery is this 3411 02:30:53,809 --> 02:30:51,960 Consciousness Factor now uh when we come 3412 02:30:56,389 --> 02:30:53,819 back after the break uh here's the pay 3413 02:30:59,750 --> 02:30:56,399 age on Woodbridge and we're going to 3414 02:31:04,690 --> 02:30:59,760 break this whole page down but uh at the 3415 02:31:11,230 --> 02:31:04,700 bottom of these notes it says this 3416 02:31:14,150 --> 02:31:11,240 film made and flown to Germany 3417 02:31:15,710 --> 02:31:14,160 holy crap what does this mean we'll talk 3418 02:31:17,450 --> 02:31:15,720 about all of this when we come back 3419 02:31:20,750 --> 02:31:17,460 after this short break our guest tonight 3420 02:31:23,690 --> 02:31:20,760 the one and only it's Grant Cameron week 3421 02:31:25,070 --> 02:31:23,700 here on Fage black and make sure in the 3422 02:31:26,750 --> 02:31:25,080 last segment that we get to above your 3423 02:31:28,610 --> 02:31:26,760 Inman that's the major part of the 3424 02:31:31,190 --> 02:31:28,620 document I'll leave that to you my 3425 02:31:33,830 --> 02:31:31,200 friend we'll be right back after this 3426 02:31:36,300 --> 02:31:33,840 short break this is Fade to Black stay 3427 02:31:52,610 --> 02:31:44,990 [Music] 3428 02:31:54,490 --> 02:31:52,620 [Applause] 3429 02:31:57,130 --> 02:31:54,500 [Music] 3430 02:32:00,590 --> 02:31:57,140 believe me 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paranormal 3515 02:36:11,870 --> 02:36:09,840 talk entertainment including the network 3516 02:36:14,690 --> 02:36:11,880 you're listening to right now the 3517 02:36:20,570 --> 02:36:14,700 Paranormal radio app free in Google Play 3518 02:36:20,580 --> 02:36:30,320 foreign 3519 02:36:50,389 --> 02:36:36,080 [Music] 3520 02:36:55,429 --> 02:36:52,910 Welcome Back Fade to Black I am your 3521 02:36:57,349 --> 02:36:55,439 host Jimmy Church 3522 02:37:00,170 --> 02:36:57,359 man what a show tonight 3523 02:37:01,910 --> 02:37:00,180 Grant Cameron is with us and at Grant 3524 02:37:03,889 --> 02:37:01,920 we've just got a little bit of time left 3525 02:37:06,469 --> 02:37:03,899 here and and thank you Ben you've had a 3526 02:37:08,210 --> 02:37:06,479 very busy day you've got a crazy week in 3527 02:37:11,330 --> 02:37:08,220 in front of you and thank you for taking 3528 02:37:13,790 --> 02:37:11,340 the time tonight uh for this uh very 3529 02:37:16,550 --> 02:37:13,800 very important show 3530 02:37:19,370 --> 02:37:16,560 um and right before the break uh I I 3531 02:37:23,690 --> 02:37:19,380 brought up the page about uh rendelshim 3532 02:37:26,809 --> 02:37:23,700 Woodbridge and uh all of the comments uh 3533 02:37:29,570 --> 02:37:26,819 are are are what we're familiar with 3534 02:37:33,230 --> 02:37:29,580 except for this last line here which 3535 02:37:36,530 --> 02:37:33,240 says film made and flown to Germany I 3536 02:37:38,090 --> 02:37:36,540 always suspected that right uh you know 3537 02:37:42,230 --> 02:37:38,100 we heard about video cameras being 3538 02:37:44,389 --> 02:37:42,240 present and and film cameras and and uh 3539 02:37:46,730 --> 02:37:44,399 but nothing was ever mentioned about 3540 02:37:50,090 --> 02:37:46,740 what was filmed and and and or 3541 02:37:51,650 --> 02:37:50,100 photographed uh but here it states uh 3542 02:37:53,929 --> 02:37:51,660 that a film was made and flown to 3543 02:37:55,790 --> 02:37:53,939 Germany yeah that was always the rumor 3544 02:37:57,590 --> 02:37:55,800 the thing is who gave this briefing so 3545 02:37:59,809 --> 02:37:57,600 somebody would have been the person 3546 02:38:01,130 --> 02:37:59,819 describing the story it may have been 3547 02:38:03,530 --> 02:38:01,140 John Alexander because the story was 3548 02:38:05,990 --> 02:38:03,540 John Alexander was involved with uh the 3549 02:38:08,270 --> 02:38:06,000 briefing stuff with uh he he showed up 3550 02:38:12,170 --> 02:38:08,280 there and so it'd be interesting to find 3551 02:38:13,910 --> 02:38:12,180 out uh whether Oak Shannon remembers or 3552 02:38:16,070 --> 02:38:13,920 who and maybe someone else will come 3553 02:38:18,950 --> 02:38:16,080 forward and tell us who actually gave 3554 02:38:20,450 --> 02:38:18,960 this briefing who's the one that said uh 3555 02:38:22,070 --> 02:38:20,460 there was a film flown during Germany 3556 02:38:24,590 --> 02:38:22,080 because that was the rumored story was 3557 02:38:26,270 --> 02:38:24,600 that the plane arrived from Germany and 3558 02:38:28,130 --> 02:38:26,280 they loaded all this the film on there 3559 02:38:31,550 --> 02:38:28,140 and and took off with it 3560 02:38:34,550 --> 02:38:31,560 uh were you surprised uh that that Oak 3561 02:38:35,750 --> 02:38:34,560 Shannon uh spoke uh you know and and did 3562 02:38:38,090 --> 02:38:35,760 an interview 3563 02:38:38,870 --> 02:38:38,100 yeah I was I was pretty surprised yeah I 3564 02:38:43,429 --> 02:38:38,880 was 3565 02:38:44,630 --> 02:38:43,439 being approached by a lot of people and 3566 02:38:46,370 --> 02:38:44,640 I that's the same thing that's gonna 3567 02:38:48,050 --> 02:38:46,380 happen here is is once these names 3568 02:38:50,330 --> 02:38:48,060 become public people are going to start 3569 02:38:52,309 --> 02:38:50,340 going after and auction is probably he 3570 02:38:53,690 --> 02:38:52,319 as you know the comment he made today I 3571 02:38:55,610 --> 02:38:53,700 don't know how this is going to play out 3572 02:38:58,969 --> 02:38:55,620 and he's probably going to get all sorts 3573 02:39:01,730 --> 02:38:58,979 of requests for interviews now and I I I 3574 02:39:03,530 --> 02:39:01,740 sort of pity him because I mean this is 3575 02:39:05,809 --> 02:39:03,540 not something he really wanted I mean he 3576 02:39:07,250 --> 02:39:05,819 this was not his game he sort of got 3577 02:39:08,690 --> 02:39:07,260 stuck in the document he sort of got 3578 02:39:10,910 --> 02:39:08,700 stuck with these notes coming out and 3579 02:39:12,530 --> 02:39:10,920 stuff like that and I I see his place is 3580 02:39:15,290 --> 02:39:12,540 very important in history I don't think 3581 02:39:18,290 --> 02:39:15,300 he really sees it that way uh let's uh 3582 02:39:22,910 --> 02:39:18,300 let's get to this uh Bobby Ray Inman and 3583 02:39:27,110 --> 02:39:22,920 before we get there uh as I scroll down 3584 02:39:29,090 --> 02:39:27,120 um uh here's cash Landrum uh uh the 3585 02:39:30,530 --> 02:39:29,100 organizational chart which is the thing 3586 02:39:33,170 --> 02:39:30,540 with the president where they've got the 3587 02:39:35,570 --> 02:39:33,180 no where they get get Authority so they 3588 02:39:37,670 --> 02:39:35,580 got keywords like get Authority keywords 3589 02:39:41,389 --> 02:39:37,680 was the science advisor to Reagan scroll 3590 02:39:45,710 --> 02:39:41,399 up a bit you're I guess so keyworth was 3591 02:39:47,750 --> 02:39:45,720 the um the uh the Reagans go yeah right 3592 02:39:49,190 --> 02:39:47,760 there uh say get Authority so they're 3593 02:39:51,710 --> 02:39:49,200 trying to get Authority for their plan 3594 02:39:53,389 --> 02:39:51,720 and whether it was keyworth said no 3595 02:39:56,929 --> 02:39:53,399 keywords was a science advisor to the 3596 02:39:59,750 --> 02:39:56,939 president uh Poindexter was the um the 3597 02:40:02,270 --> 02:39:59,760 National Security adviser to Reagan he's 3598 02:40:06,469 --> 02:40:02,280 and it looks like he said no the p is 3599 02:40:08,270 --> 02:40:06,479 the president said no VP no and then uh 3600 02:40:12,590 --> 02:40:08,280 Dr Cooper I don't know who that is said 3601 02:40:14,809 --> 02:40:12,600 no and then uh maybe he was Don K e r r 3602 02:40:15,830 --> 02:40:14,819 and uh yeah I can't remember his 3603 02:40:17,570 --> 02:40:15,840 position but that's what you're gonna 3604 02:40:18,830 --> 02:40:17,580 see is people are going to grab these 3605 02:40:20,150 --> 02:40:18,840 names so they're going to realize these 3606 02:40:21,349 --> 02:40:20,160 guys are still alive and they're going 3607 02:40:23,389 --> 02:40:21,359 to go for interviews and we're going to 3608 02:40:24,830 --> 02:40:23,399 start to learn and who these guys were 3609 02:40:26,510 --> 02:40:24,840 why would they were in the meeting what 3610 02:40:28,309 --> 02:40:26,520 do they know about UFOs because these 3611 02:40:29,690 --> 02:40:28,319 are guys at the top secret level these 3612 02:40:31,010 --> 02:40:29,700 are not guys who are interested in the 3613 02:40:32,570 --> 02:40:31,020 subject these are guys who had 3614 02:40:34,330 --> 02:40:32,580 information that were brought into these 3615 02:40:40,010 --> 02:40:34,340 meetings to try to put it all together 3616 02:40:42,889 --> 02:40:40,020 now uh I'm gonna scroll down uh to uh 3617 02:40:44,870 --> 02:40:42,899 the list of names uh that was at this 3618 02:40:47,349 --> 02:40:44,880 meeting and if there's something that 3619 02:40:50,690 --> 02:40:47,359 you okay but here's attendees and others 3620 02:40:53,210 --> 02:40:50,700 uh me which is uh that was the funniest 3621 02:40:55,849 --> 02:40:53,220 part when he said when when he got asked 3622 02:40:58,550 --> 02:40:55,859 the question uh would that you be would 3623 02:41:00,110 --> 02:40:58,560 that be me me be you and he said yeah 3624 02:41:03,770 --> 02:41:00,120 something like the effect yeah yeah that 3625 02:41:05,170 --> 02:41:03,780 that me could be me it's like he started 3626 02:41:10,250 --> 02:41:05,180 yeah that's me 3627 02:41:12,050 --> 02:41:10,260 so uh uh Bill uh Wilkinson from the CIA 3628 02:41:13,429 --> 02:41:12,060 I don't I don't know this name I mean 3629 02:41:15,650 --> 02:41:13,439 that's the thing right right right right 3630 02:41:17,150 --> 02:41:15,660 hell McConnell was the guy that was 3631 02:41:20,809 --> 02:41:17,160 rumored to have leaked it to the New 3632 02:41:31,630 --> 02:41:20,819 York Times uh from the NSA yeah 3633 02:41:38,150 --> 02:41:35,389 uh bill sowder from McDonald Douglas uh 3634 02:41:42,889 --> 02:41:38,160 a no name from the beginning yeah that's 3635 02:41:46,370 --> 02:41:42,899 interesting yep and uh what is the usdre 3636 02:41:48,590 --> 02:41:46,380 um I had looked it up uh usdre uh I I 3637 02:41:50,750 --> 02:41:48,600 tried to find it today too as well I I I 3638 02:41:53,630 --> 02:41:50,760 I had it but it's like 3639 02:41:55,670 --> 02:41:53,640 uh yeah whatever but it's 3640 02:41:57,349 --> 02:41:55,680 okay so guys the guy's name is unknown 3641 02:41:58,730 --> 02:41:57,359 somebody will figure it out I guarantee 3642 02:42:01,790 --> 02:41:58,740 within a couple days You're Gonna know 3643 02:42:06,250 --> 02:42:01,800 who the guy is yeah Ralph Ralph Freeman 3644 02:42:08,630 --> 02:42:06,260 uh no association and then of course 3645 02:42:11,270 --> 02:42:08,640 God bless you have the two that's where 3646 02:42:13,010 --> 02:42:11,280 Lou is making this reference to uh it 3647 02:42:15,770 --> 02:42:13,020 was the if there if you have Hardware 3648 02:42:17,929 --> 02:42:15,780 was it evenly divided between all the 3649 02:42:19,849 --> 02:42:17,939 Aerospace contractors that was that idea 3650 02:42:21,950 --> 02:42:19,859 so here we have McDonald Douglas Bob 3651 02:42:23,090 --> 02:42:21,960 Wood and Lockheed where and it seems 3652 02:42:25,550 --> 02:42:23,100 like there's more people from Milwaukee 3653 02:42:27,530 --> 02:42:25,560 and then the Jensen guy and this other 3654 02:42:29,330 --> 02:42:27,540 this Don guy I'd never heard of them 3655 02:42:30,590 --> 02:42:29,340 before Ron Blackburn I always pointed 3656 02:42:34,610 --> 02:42:30,600 out people there's a very interesting 3657 02:42:36,469 --> 02:42:34,620 interview by uh Jerry Pitt Pippen if you 3658 02:42:38,450 --> 02:42:36,479 look at Google search Jerry Pippen and 3659 02:42:40,190 --> 02:42:38,460 Ron Blackburn is a fascinating interview 3660 02:42:41,929 --> 02:42:40,200 that Jerry Pippen does with Ron 3661 02:42:44,510 --> 02:42:41,939 Blackburn talking about alien hardware 3662 02:42:46,190 --> 02:42:44,520 and his inventions and his patents his 3663 02:42:48,950 --> 02:42:46,200 fascinating interview 3664 02:42:52,370 --> 02:42:48,960 uh again from Lockheed Lockheed Skunk 3665 02:42:55,550 --> 02:42:52,380 words I would assume uh Mill Jensen and 3666 02:42:58,610 --> 02:42:55,560 again Don Campbell 3667 02:43:01,610 --> 02:42:58,620 um uh and then Gary Wright is said to 3668 02:43:05,510 --> 02:43:01,620 McConnell nine months 30 to 40 solid 3669 02:43:07,910 --> 02:43:05,520 sightings in Alaska right 3670 02:43:13,190 --> 02:43:07,920 um they named the island here most 3671 02:43:16,370 --> 02:43:13,200 toward Alaska some to the USSR this is 3672 02:43:19,610 --> 02:43:16,380 before the fall of the Soviet Union 3673 02:43:21,110 --> 02:43:19,620 um and then uh back to the psy aspect of 3674 02:43:22,870 --> 02:43:21,120 this that you mentioned earlier a 3675 02:43:26,389 --> 02:43:22,880 Israeli book about 3676 02:43:28,270 --> 02:43:26,399 uh uh uh about work being done yeah 3677 02:43:35,170 --> 02:43:28,280 ahead 3678 02:43:39,170 --> 02:43:35,180 mark 3679 02:43:44,090 --> 02:43:39,180 okay list of who we have contacted 3680 02:43:46,910 --> 02:43:44,100 security possible tasks and uh again uh 3681 02:43:48,950 --> 02:43:46,920 develop theories I always thought uh was 3682 02:43:51,429 --> 02:43:48,960 uh pretty interesting 3683 02:43:54,410 --> 02:43:51,439 um and then I want to get to 3684 02:43:57,590 --> 02:43:54,420 uh there's Bill Salter McDonald Douglas 3685 02:43:59,630 --> 02:43:57,600 us here's the organization and the 3686 02:44:03,770 --> 02:43:59,640 research plan 3687 02:44:10,370 --> 02:44:07,550 database Theory sensors samples we got 3688 02:44:12,410 --> 02:44:10,380 Jacque Valley's name right here and he's 3689 02:44:14,389 --> 02:44:12,420 now doing this this whole thing by using 3690 02:44:16,550 --> 02:44:14,399 artificial intelligence to go through 3691 02:44:18,290 --> 02:44:16,560 the data so you can you can get the 3692 02:44:20,210 --> 02:44:18,300 patterns and valet is not working on 3693 02:44:22,490 --> 02:44:20,220 that so that's been extended to this day 3694 02:44:24,590 --> 02:44:22,500 they've actually started to develop the 3695 02:44:26,510 --> 02:44:24,600 database thing now were you surprised to 3696 02:44:28,309 --> 02:44:26,520 see Tesla's name here 3697 02:44:30,110 --> 02:44:28,319 well that that's again one of the 3698 02:44:31,910 --> 02:44:30,120 rumored stories that that that all the 3699 02:44:33,830 --> 02:44:31,920 people on high levels were interested in 3700 02:44:35,750 --> 02:44:33,840 Tesla and what happened to his mature I 3701 02:44:37,610 --> 02:44:35,760 think there's even a reference to the 3702 02:44:38,870 --> 02:44:37,620 they were looking for Tesla's material 3703 02:44:40,610 --> 02:44:38,880 and they couldn't they couldn't yeah 3704 02:44:44,270 --> 02:44:40,620 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you caught that 3705 02:44:48,050 --> 02:44:44,280 it was uh it's further down in the notes 3706 02:44:52,790 --> 02:44:48,060 yeah but uh and it was the way that uh 3707 02:44:56,030 --> 02:44:52,800 uh what Tesla's uh uh files were called 3708 02:44:59,270 --> 02:44:56,040 we'll get to that uh it escaped me right 3709 02:45:02,750 --> 02:44:59,280 now but here we go more dollar signs and 3710 02:45:05,330 --> 02:45:02,760 I keep referencing this uh this was in 3711 02:45:07,969 --> 02:45:05,340 uh oh wait a minute where's the Bobby 3712 02:45:10,070 --> 02:45:07,979 Ray Inman I think it's higher higher up 3713 02:45:11,570 --> 02:45:10,080 it's just a single page that was one of 3714 02:45:13,330 --> 02:45:11,580 the ones I put on the internet some time 3715 02:45:15,050 --> 02:45:13,340 ago just the page 3716 02:45:20,650 --> 02:45:15,060 to 3717 02:45:25,090 --> 02:45:22,849 page all by stuff that's all you have is 3718 02:45:27,889 --> 02:45:25,100 two lines on the page so simple to find 3719 02:45:31,130 --> 02:45:27,899 there's nothing except for that no maybe 3720 02:45:32,830 --> 02:45:31,140 I just don't maybe so did I no I'm at 3721 02:45:35,570 --> 02:45:32,840 the end 3722 02:45:37,070 --> 02:45:35,580 oh I see Iranian jet yeah it must be 3723 02:45:39,349 --> 02:45:37,080 here it's above there I think it's the 3724 02:45:41,929 --> 02:45:39,359 next page up here no no that's 3725 02:45:43,670 --> 02:45:41,939 Woodbridge 3726 02:45:45,889 --> 02:45:43,680 okay I couldn't describe what's on the 3727 02:45:48,050 --> 02:45:45,899 page if you can't hear me it's maybe oh 3728 02:45:49,849 --> 02:45:48,060 Kirk this is the Richard Doty sighting 3729 02:45:51,349 --> 02:45:49,859 I'm pretty sure and take a look at what 3730 02:45:53,630 --> 02:45:51,359 they say many mistakes in the report 3731 02:45:55,969 --> 02:45:53,640 don't take too seriously I'm pretty sure 3732 02:45:59,450 --> 02:45:55,979 that August the 8th 80 I'm not 100 sure 3733 02:46:01,030 --> 02:45:59,460 was the Richard Dodie sighting 3734 02:46:04,130 --> 02:46:01,040 for a report 3735 02:46:05,630 --> 02:46:04,140 intercept that's when the the Staten 3736 02:46:07,730 --> 02:46:05,640 Freeman tried to get characters here it 3737 02:46:09,110 --> 02:46:07,740 is here it is Adrian this is the most 3738 02:46:12,349 --> 02:46:09,120 interesting part of the whole document 3739 02:46:14,090 --> 02:46:12,359 and that was that it appears that they 3740 02:46:15,889 --> 02:46:14,100 had a discussion the way those seems to 3741 02:46:17,510 --> 02:46:15,899 work that they had like in the morning 3742 02:46:19,429 --> 02:46:17,520 they would discuss scheduling relations 3743 02:46:21,050 --> 02:46:19,439 then they discussed this then and you'd 3744 02:46:23,750 --> 02:46:21,060 go from these different so they brought 3745 02:46:25,309 --> 02:46:23,760 up major engineering projects and the 3746 02:46:28,429 --> 02:46:25,319 only thing under there was Bobby 3747 02:46:30,590 --> 02:46:28,439 Raymond's name so it it was a topic of 3748 02:46:33,770 --> 02:46:30,600 discussion and that that's all they had 3749 02:46:36,290 --> 02:46:33,780 and Bobby reinman uh was the saic 3750 02:46:38,630 --> 02:46:36,300 Richard that uh Greer always talks about 3751 02:46:40,429 --> 02:46:38,640 essayic was a key component to this 3752 02:46:41,990 --> 02:46:40,439 whole cover-up thing and Bobby Raymond 3753 02:46:44,270 --> 02:46:42,000 whether he was a contractor whether he 3754 02:46:48,050 --> 02:46:44,280 worked for saic or whatever it was it 3755 02:46:50,690 --> 02:46:48,060 was to link to sarc and Bobby rainden's 3756 02:46:53,929 --> 02:46:50,700 name is interesting because uh this is 3757 02:46:57,110 --> 02:46:53,939 1985 in 1988 the rumor was around the 3758 02:46:58,670 --> 02:46:57,120 Bobby Raymond was the mj-12 guy he was 3759 02:47:01,429 --> 02:46:58,680 the guy that was in charge of the remote 3760 02:47:05,330 --> 02:47:01,439 and that's when Bob exler went he got 3761 02:47:08,630 --> 02:47:05,340 the business card he went to uh uh the 3762 02:47:11,389 --> 02:47:08,640 uh the uh there was a conference at The 3763 02:47:14,690 --> 02:47:11,399 Institute for defense analysis where uh 3764 02:47:17,090 --> 02:47:14,700 Bob uh McGuire came from and they they 3765 02:47:19,429 --> 02:47:17,100 he bet he met Bobby Raymond and he said 3766 02:47:21,170 --> 02:47:19,439 I'd like to meet mj-12 and now he 3767 02:47:22,730 --> 02:47:21,180 started had this discussion and then he 3768 02:47:24,290 --> 02:47:22,740 had the phone call with Bobby you're in 3769 02:47:26,270 --> 02:47:24,300 and where he's talking to Bobby Raymond 3770 02:47:28,130 --> 02:47:26,280 about about Christ like saucers and 3771 02:47:30,530 --> 02:47:28,140 mj-12 and all this kind of stuff and 3772 02:47:33,050 --> 02:47:30,540 that ties into the the Wilson leak 3773 02:47:36,110 --> 02:47:33,060 document because the whole thing hinges 3774 02:47:40,969 --> 02:47:36,120 on this fact that Wilson was briefed by 3775 02:47:45,170 --> 02:47:40,979 Greer and uh Admiral Miller and uh 3776 02:47:47,210 --> 02:47:45,180 Stephen Greer and Edgar Mitchell in 1997 3777 02:47:49,670 --> 02:47:47,220 about the whole fact that you're being 3778 02:47:50,630 --> 02:47:49,680 snowed and uh your control of this 3779 02:47:53,270 --> 02:47:50,640 project and you don't have control 3780 02:47:55,550 --> 02:47:53,280 that's when Wilson starts to look and as 3781 02:47:57,410 --> 02:47:55,560 if you've heard the interview Greer does 3782 02:47:59,090 --> 02:47:57,420 an interview with Admiral Wilson and 3783 02:48:01,309 --> 02:47:59,100 Wilson tells the whole story in this 3784 02:48:04,070 --> 02:48:01,319 interview you and he says when we left 3785 02:48:06,110 --> 02:48:04,080 the room the Wilson's office the 3786 02:48:08,270 --> 02:48:06,120 Wilson's assistant said to me you know 3787 02:48:10,969 --> 02:48:08,280 that MJ 12 you're talking about 3788 02:48:15,110 --> 02:48:10,979 we know all about that group but we here 3789 02:48:17,150 --> 02:48:15,120 at the the uh Joint Chiefs for the uh 3790 02:48:18,889 --> 02:48:17,160 intelligence do not have a need to know 3791 02:48:20,570 --> 02:48:18,899 that's what Miller said he was told as 3792 02:48:22,070 --> 02:48:20,580 he walked out of the room so again you 3793 02:48:25,610 --> 02:48:22,080 have this connection between Bobby Ray 3794 02:48:28,130 --> 02:48:25,620 Inman and the the mj-12 state and there 3795 02:48:31,670 --> 02:48:28,140 was another story told where where Greer 3796 02:48:34,010 --> 02:48:31,680 told the story that um that Goldwater 3797 02:48:35,510 --> 02:48:34,020 had phoned him that he'd Goldwater had 3798 02:48:37,730 --> 02:48:35,520 said to Stephen Greer so who's running 3799 02:48:39,590 --> 02:48:37,740 the program and he said Bobby Raymond's 3800 02:48:41,750 --> 02:48:39,600 running the program and and Goldwater 3801 02:48:43,309 --> 02:48:41,760 say well really he's my friend I'll 3802 02:48:45,710 --> 02:48:43,319 phone him up and so Greer says yeah 3803 02:48:47,030 --> 02:48:45,720 phone them up and tell him and and I 3804 02:48:48,830 --> 02:48:47,040 actually found I've one of the 3805 02:48:51,650 --> 02:48:48,840 collections I have I have the entire 3806 02:48:53,809 --> 02:48:51,660 collection of of gold Waters UFO files 3807 02:48:55,730 --> 02:48:53,819 190 Pages all the people he talked to 3808 02:48:57,530 --> 02:48:55,740 and stuff I've got the whole file and 3809 02:48:59,450 --> 02:48:57,540 one of the letters describes the fact 3810 02:49:01,130 --> 02:48:59,460 that he phoned Bobby Ray Inman and he 3811 02:49:03,309 --> 02:49:01,140 mentioned Stephen Greer's name and 3812 02:49:05,450 --> 02:49:03,319 Steven Greer tells the story that that 3813 02:49:07,969 --> 02:49:05,460 Goldwater who is head of the 3814 02:49:10,130 --> 02:49:07,979 intelligence for the Senate his daughter 3815 02:49:11,990 --> 02:49:10,140 has said I was there when my father made 3816 02:49:14,389 --> 02:49:12,000 the phone call he phoned Bobby Ray Inman 3817 02:49:16,730 --> 02:49:14,399 I have never seen my father so shaken in 3818 02:49:18,770 --> 02:49:16,740 his life and he never talked about UFOs 3819 02:49:21,349 --> 02:49:18,780 ever again after that call with Bobby 3820 02:49:24,349 --> 02:49:21,359 reinman so Bobby Raymond's a key figure 3821 02:49:27,530 --> 02:49:24,359 in ephology he's a major figure and an 3822 02:49:30,530 --> 02:49:27,540 interesting figure yeah for those that 3823 02:49:32,870 --> 02:49:30,540 have been uh researching this subject uh 3824 02:49:37,270 --> 02:49:32,880 over the this you know last four or five 3825 02:49:40,550 --> 02:49:37,280 decades Bobby Ray inman's name 3826 02:49:41,990 --> 02:49:40,560 is Central in all of this and but you 3827 02:49:44,210 --> 02:49:42,000 know I'm growing up you know I'm in my 3828 02:49:46,309 --> 02:49:44,220 20s I I'm in my 30s and I'm looking at 3829 02:49:49,309 --> 02:49:46,319 these documents Grant uh just like 3830 02:49:52,370 --> 02:49:49,319 everybody else's and over and over again 3831 02:49:55,370 --> 02:49:52,380 there was Bobby Ray Inman and and his 3832 02:49:59,450 --> 02:49:55,380 comments about this and this this to 3833 02:50:01,330 --> 02:49:59,460 have this pop up in this meeting in 1985 3834 02:50:04,130 --> 02:50:01,340 top secret meeting 3835 02:50:06,650 --> 02:50:04,140 extraordinary does this confirm 3836 02:50:09,830 --> 02:50:06,660 everything all of the rumors about Bobby 3837 02:50:13,610 --> 02:50:09,840 Ray Inman that have gone back uh to the 3838 02:50:15,349 --> 02:50:13,620 1960s 1950s probably Bobby Raymond yeah 3839 02:50:18,130 --> 02:50:15,359 Bobby Raymond who was apparently a 3840 02:50:20,690 --> 02:50:18,140 four-star Admiral at 49 years old 3841 02:50:22,730 --> 02:50:20,700 but it may be that they just knew the 3842 02:50:24,349 --> 02:50:22,740 rumor that they they didn't really have 3843 02:50:26,090 --> 02:50:24,359 anything other than we've heard Bobby 3844 02:50:27,530 --> 02:50:26,100 Raymond is running the thing and they 3845 02:50:29,389 --> 02:50:27,540 didn't know any more than you and I but 3846 02:50:31,250 --> 02:50:29,399 that may be what this means as well but 3847 02:50:33,050 --> 02:50:31,260 either they knew the rumor or they 3848 02:50:35,330 --> 02:50:33,060 discussed Bobby Raymond running this 3849 02:50:36,950 --> 02:50:35,340 this major engineering and a major 3850 02:50:38,330 --> 02:50:36,960 engineering project 3851 02:50:40,490 --> 02:50:38,340 now 3852 02:50:43,550 --> 02:50:40,500 um in in closing 3853 02:50:46,309 --> 02:50:43,560 um where where do we go from here this 3854 02:50:48,889 --> 02:50:46,319 is uh obviously a lot of analysis needs 3855 02:50:50,330 --> 02:50:48,899 to go into uh both of these packets of 3856 02:50:52,610 --> 02:50:50,340 notes 3857 02:50:54,830 --> 02:50:52,620 um in reviewing the names and and so 3858 02:50:56,809 --> 02:50:54,840 forth but but but where do we go from 3859 02:51:00,110 --> 02:50:56,819 here and what does this do to support 3860 02:51:01,550 --> 02:51:00,120 the Admiral Wilson Davis document well I 3861 02:51:03,830 --> 02:51:01,560 I think it's just it's going to be an 3862 02:51:07,010 --> 02:51:03,840 avalanche of researchers who are really 3863 02:51:09,349 --> 02:51:07,020 good I mean even uh Giuliano marekovic 3864 02:51:12,889 --> 02:51:09,359 has actually linked all this stuff into 3865 02:51:15,349 --> 02:51:12,899 he's got the the whole index of all the 3866 02:51:17,150 --> 02:51:15,359 Wilson leak all the the briefings all 3867 02:51:18,590 --> 02:51:17,160 the interviews all that stuff he's all 3868 02:51:20,030 --> 02:51:18,600 linked it all together this is already 3869 02:51:21,650 --> 02:51:20,040 linked in there so you see these people 3870 02:51:23,090 --> 02:51:21,660 are already working on this they're 3871 02:51:25,429 --> 02:51:23,100 putting it together there's some really 3872 02:51:27,110 --> 02:51:25,439 smart people in ufology I I used to say 3873 02:51:28,730 --> 02:51:27,120 we used to have this joke you know that 3874 02:51:30,550 --> 02:51:28,740 everybody was old in ufology and then 3875 02:51:34,849 --> 02:51:30,560 the one guy was asked do you have a 3876 02:51:37,610 --> 02:51:34,859 Citizens an old uh uh uh seniors uh 3877 02:51:38,929 --> 02:51:37,620 discount for getting into UFO so the guy 3878 02:51:41,510 --> 02:51:38,939 said if I had a seniors discount 3879 02:51:42,770 --> 02:51:41,520 everybody get in for Discount and it was 3880 02:51:45,530 --> 02:51:42,780 the idea that there was no young people 3881 02:51:47,210 --> 02:51:45,540 but I I actually can say there are a lot 3882 02:51:49,490 --> 02:51:47,220 of young people that I highly respect in 3883 02:51:50,929 --> 02:51:49,500 the UFO Community who are really smart 3884 02:51:52,730 --> 02:51:50,939 and who are going to rip this thing 3885 02:51:54,469 --> 02:51:52,740 apart and are going to you're going to 3886 02:51:56,690 --> 02:51:54,479 see all sorts of Revelations from this 3887 02:51:58,730 --> 02:51:56,700 in terms of the names and how it fits 3888 02:52:01,010 --> 02:51:58,740 together I I think it's all over I mean 3889 02:52:03,710 --> 02:52:01,020 especially if they have got immunity for 3890 02:52:06,050 --> 02:52:03,720 Witnesses it's over it's game set match 3891 02:52:08,030 --> 02:52:06,060 this is over if you get these people in 3892 02:52:10,550 --> 02:52:08,040 a public hearing and they you get guys 3893 02:52:11,929 --> 02:52:10,560 like Eric Davis who I knew and I knew 3894 02:52:13,910 --> 02:52:11,939 who he was talking to he was talking to 3895 02:52:15,830 --> 02:52:13,920 people higher than Wilson I knew he was 3896 02:52:17,450 --> 02:52:15,840 talking to I knew what this guy's a 3897 02:52:19,370 --> 02:52:17,460 Former Intelligence officer he's not a 3898 02:52:20,929 --> 02:52:19,380 stupid guy and he can't lie you get 3899 02:52:23,150 --> 02:52:20,939 these people in front of Congress in an 3900 02:52:25,130 --> 02:52:23,160 open hearing it's game set match is over 3901 02:52:27,110 --> 02:52:25,140 the cover-up is over and that's what I 3902 02:52:28,670 --> 02:52:27,120 saw when I first saw the document and 3903 02:52:30,469 --> 02:52:28,680 I'm more convinced now that it that is 3904 02:52:33,349 --> 02:52:30,479 basically over they're using the Wilson 3905 02:52:35,809 --> 02:52:33,359 document to track this this fact that 3906 02:52:36,830 --> 02:52:35,819 the the people have been scammed they've 3907 02:52:38,870 --> 02:52:36,840 been running this program without 3908 02:52:40,010 --> 02:52:38,880 congressional oversight and they're 3909 02:52:41,750 --> 02:52:40,020 going to get to the bottom of it they 3910 02:52:43,910 --> 02:52:41,760 realize they've been had and it's it's 3911 02:52:46,370 --> 02:52:43,920 inter it's like it's unlike anything in 3912 02:52:47,990 --> 02:52:46,380 U.S politics there there is totally 3913 02:52:50,030 --> 02:52:48,000 everybody's on board it's not one party 3914 02:52:52,670 --> 02:52:50,040 versus the other party this is one thing 3915 02:52:55,309 --> 02:52:52,680 where everybody's talking on the same uh 3916 02:52:56,990 --> 02:52:55,319 song sheet and I I think it's over I 3917 02:52:58,990 --> 02:52:57,000 mean personally myself I think it's just 3918 02:53:01,550 --> 02:52:59,000 a matter of time 3919 02:53:04,490 --> 02:53:01,560 is Eric Davis next 3920 02:53:06,050 --> 02:53:04,500 does he need to uh step up well he's got 3921 02:53:08,389 --> 02:53:06,060 the security clearance he's working at 3922 02:53:10,250 --> 02:53:08,399 Aerospace and that's what I asked uh 3923 02:53:11,570 --> 02:53:10,260 somebody and they said oh everybody's an 3924 02:53:13,370 --> 02:53:11,580 airspace anybody in NASA's with 3925 02:53:15,590 --> 02:53:13,380 Aerospace so he's got this contract he's 3926 02:53:17,030 --> 02:53:15,600 he's got a family he's got a job and I 3927 02:53:19,010 --> 02:53:17,040 think that I've heard you know the rumor 3928 02:53:22,070 --> 02:53:19,020 that people have talked to that he said 3929 02:53:23,929 --> 02:53:22,080 yeah if if he was uh uh given immunity 3930 02:53:26,450 --> 02:53:23,939 he would talk and that's all I think it 3931 02:53:28,750 --> 02:53:26,460 takes I mean Eric Davis knows maybe hell 3932 02:53:31,309 --> 02:53:28,760 put off knows the most but Eric Davis 3933 02:53:33,050 --> 02:53:31,319 you have no idea what this guy knows I 3934 02:53:34,610 --> 02:53:33,060 mean I knew him and I knew him at the 3935 02:53:36,590 --> 02:53:34,620 time when the Wilson League thing uh 3936 02:53:38,870 --> 02:53:36,600 broke it may have been exactly the same 3937 02:53:42,290 --> 02:53:38,880 time I knew him back at that early stage 3938 02:53:44,269 --> 02:53:42,300 uh when he was laid off by niz he is in 3939 02:53:46,250 --> 02:53:44,279 extremely smart guy and he he's 3940 02:53:48,110 --> 02:53:46,260 aggressive he's like me I've always seen 3941 02:53:49,610 --> 02:53:48,120 this thing as a chess game I'm here to 3942 02:53:51,290 --> 02:53:49,620 win I'm here to figure out how this 3943 02:53:53,269 --> 02:53:51,300 thing works I'm not here to make money 3944 02:53:56,690 --> 02:53:53,279 or do anything and Eric Davis is the 3945 02:53:58,309 --> 02:53:56,700 same way he's Relentless he has contacts 3946 02:54:00,410 --> 02:53:58,319 and he's just trying to get this the 3947 02:54:02,929 --> 02:54:00,420 story and he's putting it together and 3948 02:54:04,670 --> 02:54:02,939 he has a tremendous amount of material 3949 02:54:06,410 --> 02:54:04,680 and he's not going to hold back he's not 3950 02:54:08,090 --> 02:54:06,420 going to cover if he's given immunity 3951 02:54:09,290 --> 02:54:08,100 he's going to stand up there and say 3952 02:54:10,849 --> 02:54:09,300 this thing's for real he's going to tell 3953 02:54:13,309 --> 02:54:10,859 you where it's where the stuff is he's 3954 02:54:14,750 --> 02:54:13,319 going to tell you exactly how I heard 3955 02:54:16,550 --> 02:54:14,760 some stories that they told me back in 3956 02:54:18,290 --> 02:54:16,560 the day which I won't repeat but I mean 3957 02:54:19,790 --> 02:54:18,300 they know a lot more than what you think 3958 02:54:25,010 --> 02:54:19,800 they know 3959 02:54:28,250 --> 02:54:25,020 um Richard Dolan uh uh went out uh as 3960 02:54:30,410 --> 02:54:28,260 far as he could uh a couple of years ago 3961 02:54:33,469 --> 02:54:30,420 and said uh and I'm I'm paraphrasing 3962 02:54:36,170 --> 02:54:33,479 here I'm going to quote him uh that this 3963 02:54:38,450 --> 02:54:36,180 was the UFO document of the century 3964 02:54:41,330 --> 02:54:38,460 that's pretty close too you know he took 3965 02:54:43,910 --> 02:54:41,340 a lot of criticism you know uh if people 3966 02:54:46,490 --> 02:54:43,920 always forget that Richard Dolan was 3967 02:54:48,710 --> 02:54:46,500 shown two pages of the document by one 3968 02:54:50,210 --> 02:54:48,720 of the key people and he knows who the 3969 02:54:52,250 --> 02:54:50,220 key person was that showed him the 3970 02:54:54,710 --> 02:54:52,260 document and when the document was 3971 02:54:56,510 --> 02:54:54,720 leaked he phoned the guy and he said 3972 02:54:58,330 --> 02:54:56,520 what do you say now and he said oh I 3973 02:55:01,370 --> 02:54:58,340 guess the toothpaste is out of the tube 3974 02:55:03,410 --> 02:55:01,380 when you know I know the story we know 3975 02:55:05,030 --> 02:55:03,420 there's more to this it's not just a 3976 02:55:06,650 --> 02:55:05,040 document this is a document that was 3977 02:55:09,410 --> 02:55:06,660 shown two pages were shown to Richard 3978 02:55:11,570 --> 02:55:09,420 Dolan 10 years ago and when he described 3979 02:55:13,370 --> 02:55:11,580 it on your show there's no doubt he was 3980 02:55:15,170 --> 02:55:13,380 talking about the document that is game 3981 02:55:17,630 --> 02:55:15,180 set match because it proves that these 3982 02:55:19,969 --> 02:55:17,640 guys had the document 10 years ago and 3983 02:55:22,190 --> 02:55:19,979 the document's real and these guys are 3984 02:55:24,110 --> 02:55:22,200 all involved so I that's the important 3985 02:55:26,750 --> 02:55:24,120 thing that Richard has that confirmation 3986 02:55:28,429 --> 02:55:26,760 before the document became public he was 3987 02:55:30,410 --> 02:55:28,439 talking about it 3988 02:55:33,530 --> 02:55:30,420 um you just mentioned it so I'm just 3989 02:55:36,410 --> 02:55:33,540 going to expand on it just a little bit 3990 02:55:40,070 --> 02:55:36,420 um Richard said uh I made the phone call 3991 02:55:43,070 --> 02:55:40,080 right I called it I called the guy and 3992 02:55:46,670 --> 02:55:43,080 and and I know who you know uh Richard 3993 02:55:48,830 --> 02:55:46,680 called and I gotta tell you uh the 3994 02:55:52,370 --> 02:55:48,840 statement you know the toothpaste right 3995 02:55:55,969 --> 02:55:52,380 uh statement from this individual 3996 02:55:58,670 --> 02:55:55,979 um is is mind-blowing and and and and 3997 02:56:00,290 --> 02:55:58,680 and for Richard that is part of the re 3998 02:56:02,090 --> 02:56:00,300 you know as he's doing all of this 3999 02:56:04,849 --> 02:56:02,100 research 4000 02:56:07,370 --> 02:56:04,859 um and he is as black and white and as 4001 02:56:09,590 --> 02:56:07,380 as pragmatic as anybody that I know 4002 02:56:12,410 --> 02:56:09,600 right it's just about the diet it's 4003 02:56:13,450 --> 02:56:12,420 about the facts and when he said to me 4004 02:56:17,330 --> 02:56:13,460 church 4005 02:56:20,330 --> 02:56:17,340 this is a real document and this is why 4006 02:56:23,330 --> 02:56:20,340 well I've I've gotta go with that 4007 02:56:24,469 --> 02:56:23,340 because I you know I will never say 4008 02:56:27,590 --> 02:56:24,479 anything 4009 02:56:29,809 --> 02:56:27,600 um I have asked I've asked Richard you 4010 02:56:31,370 --> 02:56:29,819 got it yeah who cares at this point just 4011 02:56:33,110 --> 02:56:31,380 come out no 4012 02:56:34,550 --> 02:56:33,120 um he's got relationships and he's not 4013 02:56:37,130 --> 02:56:34,560 going to blow that relationship but 4014 02:56:39,530 --> 02:56:37,140 Richard knows what he was told and 4015 02:56:41,090 --> 02:56:39,540 that's good enough for me Grant yeah and 4016 02:56:42,950 --> 02:56:41,100 he gave me that Assurance early on 4017 02:56:44,389 --> 02:56:42,960 because I mean I was pretty sure but I 4018 02:56:46,910 --> 02:56:44,399 didn't have absolute proof but when I 4019 02:56:49,190 --> 02:56:46,920 heard Richard tell that story to me in 4020 02:56:51,170 --> 02:56:49,200 confidence I said oh okay and that's why 4021 02:56:52,910 --> 02:56:51,180 Richard never looked back when he got 4022 02:56:54,590 --> 02:56:52,920 all the criticism remember when we first 4023 02:56:56,870 --> 02:56:54,600 came out and he just looked the other 4024 02:56:59,269 --> 02:56:56,880 way and said tell them to go to hell 4025 02:57:01,130 --> 02:56:59,279 like he knew and I knew that this was 4026 02:57:03,410 --> 02:57:01,140 for real that we'd never worried about 4027 02:57:04,910 --> 02:57:03,420 it being a hoax or we were being taken 4028 02:57:06,950 --> 02:57:04,920 or whatever because if you know who the 4029 02:57:09,650 --> 02:57:06,960 guy was he'd go oh okay and I don't 4030 02:57:11,570 --> 02:57:09,660 understand what's going on here uh what 4031 02:57:15,290 --> 02:57:11,580 a great uh what a great day what a great 4032 02:57:18,950 --> 02:57:15,300 conversation and and thank you uh Grant 4033 02:57:22,550 --> 02:57:18,960 look uh going back three years ago with 4034 02:57:25,790 --> 02:57:22,560 the look on your face you were scared 4035 02:57:29,269 --> 02:57:25,800 and and and I I totally understand but 4036 02:57:30,889 --> 02:57:29,279 but look where we are today all right so 4037 02:57:33,290 --> 02:57:30,899 just just thank you for everything my 4038 02:57:36,230 --> 02:57:33,300 friend have a great week you're going to 4039 02:57:37,849 --> 02:57:36,240 be extremely busy uh and I have the 4040 02:57:40,190 --> 02:57:37,859 feeling we're gonna Circle back in a 4041 02:57:42,469 --> 02:57:40,200 couple of weeks and and and we'll have 4042 02:57:45,050 --> 02:57:42,479 more uh development on all of this thank 4043 02:57:47,809 --> 02:57:45,060 you so much uh my best to Nicole thank 4044 02:57:49,190 --> 02:57:47,819 you uh Melinda Leslie is saying that I 4045 02:57:52,429 --> 02:57:49,200 need to call her right after the show 4046 02:57:55,309 --> 02:57:52,439 I'm gonna do that as well and be up all 4047 02:57:57,889 --> 02:57:55,319 night yeah so are you grant thank you so 4048 02:58:04,010 --> 02:57:57,899 much my friend have a great night thank 4049 02:58:08,269 --> 02:58:04,020 you grant Cameron uh this is uh truly uh 4050 02:58:10,429 --> 02:58:08,279 an explosive uh development uh we're 4051 02:58:12,410 --> 02:58:10,439 gonna follow up on all of this uh 4052 02:58:13,910 --> 02:58:12,420 throughout the week tomorrow night I 4053 02:58:16,849 --> 02:58:13,920 want everybody to understand what I'm 4054 02:58:19,490 --> 02:58:16,859 gonna do for those of you out there that 4055 02:58:22,250 --> 02:58:19,500 that are not familiar with at the Wilson 4056 02:58:25,250 --> 02:58:22,260 Davis document that's fine tomorrow 4057 02:58:28,190 --> 02:58:25,260 night I am going to do a complete show 4058 02:58:31,790 --> 02:58:28,200 on the Wilson Davis document I'm going 4059 02:58:36,110 --> 02:58:31,800 to walk all of this through it and uh it 4060 02:58:38,450 --> 02:58:36,120 will be a a clarification on everything 4061 02:58:40,730 --> 02:58:38,460 that was discussed tonight with Grant 4062 02:58:44,389 --> 02:58:40,740 and then on Wednesday night Richard 4063 02:58:46,550 --> 02:58:44,399 Dolan is going to be here uh to give his 4064 02:58:50,210 --> 02:58:46,560 Insight you know he's doing research he 4065 02:58:53,150 --> 02:58:50,220 probably did uh his show uh tonight or 4066 02:58:55,730 --> 02:58:53,160 maybe he's doing it tomorrow night uh 4067 02:58:57,889 --> 02:58:55,740 over at Richard Dolan members again on 4068 02:58:59,510 --> 02:58:57,899 all of this he said to me earlier today 4069 02:59:01,969 --> 02:58:59,520 you just do this is all I'm talking 4070 02:59:03,710 --> 02:59:01,979 about this week it's going to be amazing 4071 02:59:06,410 --> 02:59:03,720 and so we're going to be doing that 4072 02:59:09,110 --> 02:59:06,420 Wednesday night and then Thursday night 4073 02:59:11,690 --> 02:59:09,120 of course is another fader night with 4074 02:59:14,510 --> 02:59:11,700 open lines all night long wow what a 4075 02:59:16,990 --> 02:59:14,520 show tonight what a fantastic show I'm 4076 02:59:20,809 --> 02:59:17,000 looking at myself this camera 4077 02:59:22,790 --> 02:59:20,819 is uh is is pretty good yeah I had I 4078 02:59:25,130 --> 02:59:22,800 didn't I didn't really take a look uh 4079 02:59:27,590 --> 02:59:25,140 tonight yeah it looks pretty good I 4080 02:59:30,650 --> 02:59:27,600 think uh I think I've got that dial I 4081 02:59:32,510 --> 02:59:30,660 don't have to touch it anymore this is 4082 02:59:37,010 --> 02:59:32,520 Fade to Black I am your host Jimmy 4083 02:59:40,429 --> 02:59:37,020 Church it is it is it's gonna be a heck 4084 02:59:42,769 --> 02:59:40,439 of a week here on Fade to Black again uh 4085 02:59:45,050 --> 02:59:42,779 thank you grant Cameron uh what a 4086 02:59:48,290 --> 02:59:45,060 perfect conversation tonight and he has 4087 02:59:49,870 --> 02:59:48,300 been at the center of all of this for a 4088 02:59:54,050 --> 02:59:49,880 very long time 4089 02:59:55,550 --> 02:59:54,060 this is his week to shine for sure Fade 4090 02:59:57,290 --> 02:59:55,560 to Black has produced by him J Palm 4091 02:59:59,510 --> 02:59:57,300 Renee Dennis and Kevin announces our 4092 03:00:02,150 --> 02:59:59,520 Steve harder Gene Vito Mark D kovar 4093 03:00:04,570 --> 03:00:02,160 webmaster is Drew the geek music Doug 4094 03:00:07,010 --> 03:00:04,580 Aldrich intro space boy 4095 03:00:08,929 --> 03:00:07,020 spaceboymusic.com Fade to Black is 4096 03:00:10,849 --> 03:00:08,939 produced by kjcr for the game changer 4097 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